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Sorry but we had it this way for so long and there were no real way to avoid smokers. Don't want to go back. I don't believe in excessive government but smoking laws were long overdue.
So what you are saying is that your desire and convenience to breath smoke free air trumps the right of the business owner to make a decision about his own propety, even though you would be exposing yourself to the smoke willfuly? Isn't that a bit selfish?
It is never ok to give up liberty or freedom, no matter the circumstance.
Yes the freedom from smoke from those few left that do smoke.
There hasn't been an ashtray or cigarette lighter in new cars for quite sometime now as an example.
Non smoking is the norm just like it is your norm to contract cancer.
The stench, the disease the putrid vile end of life.
It is really quite the waist.
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So what you are saying is that your desire and convenience to breath smoke free air trumps the right of the business owner to make a decision about his own propety, even though you would be exposing yourself to the smoke willfuly? Isn't that a bit selfish?
It is never ok to give up liberty or freedom, no matter the circumstance.
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So what you are saying is that your desire and convenience to breath smoke free air trumps the right of the business owner to make a decision about his own propety, even though you would be exposing yourself to the smoke willfuly? Isn't that a bit selfish?
It is never ok to give up liberty or freedom, no matter the circumstance.
Who says that I am willingly exposing to cigarette smoke? If you are in an office working with a smoker, what choice do you have? Yes, you can look elsewhere for work but it isn't as if you can just snap your fingers and find a new place to work. Sorry but the smoking laws have been a blessing to many and it takes the burden off of business owners in addressing smoking related complaints, etc. Not everyone has the luxury of just quitting a job when a smoker lights up ... Besides, it isn't healthy for anyone to be in an enclosed room full of secondhand smoke ... Not healthy for the non-smoker nor the smoker.
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Sadly, not all states recognize private property rights.
Well ... If smokers would have been more considerate of their non-smoking co-workers and the public at large, we would not have needed these laws. Smokers made their bed, now they need to lie in it
Who says that I am willingly exposing to cigarette smoke? If you are in an office working with a smoker, what choice do you have?
Several
>Quit
>Actively look for new employment
>Politely explain to the smoker how their smoke bothers you
>Tell managment how the smoke bothers you and ask them to consider banning smokeing in the office. If there are others who feel the same way, get together and confront managment together.
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Yes, you can look elsewhere for work but it isn't as if you can just snap your fingers and find a new place to work
Without trying to sound rude or agressive, because I'm really not..... isn't that your problem? It's not theirs.
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. Sorry but the smoking laws have been a blessing
To you, perhaps, but they have been a burden to millions of business owners WORLDwide, and a blight on the so-called freedom from Government intrusion we are supposed to have in the US. Many have suffered because of these bans, but anti-smokers dont care what the damages are, so long as they dont have to be around the smoke.
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it takes the burden off of business owners in addressing smoking related complaints, etc.
You dont need a law to do this. If the issue of smoking in or around the workplace is such an ordeal, the owner could simply ban smoking on the property and restrict employees to smoking only during scheduled breaks. If they dont have scheduled breaks, restrict it only to lunch hour. If the smokers dont like it, they can find a new job. Problem solved. Amazing what can happen when we use reason and logic.
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Not everyone has the luxury of just quitting a job when a smoker lights up ...
Again, your problem.
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Besides, it isn't healthy for anyone to be in an enclosed room full of secondhand smoke ... Not healthy for the non-smoker nor the smoker
Everyone should be able to make their own decisions based on what they want to be exposed to health wise. We dont need anyone doing it for us. We dont need a nanny.
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Not in California and other states that have banned indoor smoking in public places
You talk about it as if the smoking laws have been implemented for the sake of public health, and you couldn't be more wrong. Sure, thats the facade that these laws are passed under, but nothing could be further from the truth. They dont have your best interests at heart. There are several ways of proving this, but amongst the simplist is this.... If health were truly the issue, why not ban cigarettes altogether? Because there is far too much money to be made that is why. Too much money to be made selling quit drugs to those who no blonger want to be looked at as trash from the brainwashed public, too much money to be made by implementing laws that will result in fines for violators, too much money to be made by the taxes that smokers are unjustifiably foisted with to pay for programs to benefit all of society. All of this under the noses of the sheep-like, uninformed, misguided, uncaring public. Granted, it takes a little brain power and a lot more time, but if you are truly interested, do a little in depth research and you will expose the hypocrisy for what it is.
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Well ... If smokers would have been more considerate of their non-smoking co-workers and the public at large, we would not have needed these laws.
Nonsense. Like I said, do a little research and expose to yourself the truth.
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Only if you own the place. Otherwise, you have a right to whatever it is you're offered. Take it or leave it, it's up to you.
In YOUR home, you have the right to demand I don't smoke. In YOUR business, you have the same. In mine, you don't.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
Sadly, people dont see it in these terms, the correct and reasonable terms.
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Not in California and other states that have banned indoor smoking in public places
I believe CT has done that also. I'm not 100% sure on which places. I know the casino has a smoking AND a non-smoking area, but I know restaurants don't allow it. Bars - I am not sure.
Well ... If smokers would have been more considerate of their non-smoking co-workers and the public at large, we would not have needed these laws. Smokers made their bed, now they need to lie in it
Well, if government properly recognized real private property rights, as opposed to telling "owners" of property what they can and can't do with it (as though it were the government's property in the first place, which sadly, it is), they would realize they don't possess the authority to tell people they must ban smoking on their property.
What's mine, is mine, and it should be that it's none of anybody else's business what policies I choose to put in place regarding smoking.
Unfortunately, we live in a society that has chosen to give up our rights. But it doesn't have to be that way. However, with people like you, who think you have a "right" to demand others submit to your desires on their property, I don't think the prognosis is good.
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If you are in an office working with a smoker, what choice do you have? Yes, you can look elsewhere for work but it isn't as if you can just snap your fingers and find a new place to work. Sorry but the smoking laws have been a blessing to many and it takes the burden off of business owners in addressing smoking related complaints, etc. Not everyone has the luxury of just quitting a job when a smoker lights up ... Besides, it isn't healthy for anyone to be in an enclosed room full of secondhand smoke ... Not healthy for the non-smoker nor the smoker.
