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Old 04-26-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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Money itself is a slave invention. Look at all the people nowadays on the internet that talk about living "off the grid" without money. Growing their own food, using solar power boards, hunting, etc. In the caveman days there was no such thing as pieces of paper with so called "value" to them. You built a house, hunted your food and lived.
Money/currency is just a medium of exchange to facilitate trade. The only "slavery" aspect of it is the centralized nature of having to pass through the banking system where parasites can skim off the top, and through the manipulation of interest rates/money supply so that by the time the money completes a passthrough, it is worth less.

Hopefully a peer-to-peer banking system will evolve and eliminate centralized banking.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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It's a slave system because you have to be-a-slave to acquire said pieces of paper or you won't be able to obtain what you need to survive. In the caveman days if you wanted something to eat you went out and got it. No paper needed.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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It's a slave system because you have to be-a-slave to acquire said pieces of paper or you won't be able to obtain what you need to survive. In the caveman days if you wanted something to eat you went out and got it. No paper needed.
you can still legally barter. offer the deli guy a bj for some coldcuts.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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It's a slave system because you have to be-a-slave to acquire said pieces of paper or you won't be able to obtain what you need to survive. In the caveman days if you wanted something to eat you went out and got it. No paper needed.
But a slave has no option of freedom. In this society, you only have to work until you want to retire. You aren't stuck working until you get old unless you choose to.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:03 PM
 
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What about rising retirement ages? Right now "retired" people are filling up all the jobs that went to young people because they can't survive on what they get.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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What about rising retirement ages? Right now "retired" people are filling up all the jobs that went to young people because they can't survive on what they get.
I wouldn't say "retired" people are filling up jobs. In my opinion, if you're working, then you aren't retired. Yes, a lot of older people are choosing to work. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's a choice.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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you can still legally barter. offer the deli guy a bj for some coldcuts.
Prostitution, illegal.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:34 AM
 
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I wouldn't say "retired" people are filling up jobs. In my opinion, if you're working, then you aren't retired. Yes, a lot of older people are choosing to work. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's a choice.
Nonsense. A big army of retirement-age people is out there working because they can't afford not to. "Choice" has precious little to do with it!
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:45 AM
 
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So I understand the problem with underpaying people who are qualified and work for more money. But some business pay minimum wage. Not every job is worth 15 dollars an hr whether we like it or not. If minimum wage is 15 an hr, then there are bigger problems. It is VERY likely the guy who was offering a job in Wisconsin for 9.50- 10 an hr lives in an area that the cost of living is reasonable and that is a competitive salary for no experience.
Like keeping up with CEO pay increases. I read that had minimum wage increased like corporate executives pay has, it would be nearly $25 hour.
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:45 PM
 
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1. A 1099 tutor without stable work
2. "Competitive wage of $8.50 an hour"
3. Salesman, who no doubt is fired if not meeting quota
4. A company with 1.9 million in revenue, looking for "payroll help". Smells like an $8 an hour job to me, that needs government clearance to boot.
5. WOW 30k in New York City for BI?!?! Cant imagine why people arent lined up out the door


Wow, so, people cant find employees knocking down the door for their throw away jobs (2 of which cant even be considered jobs)

If Im going to make $8 an hour, Im working at Subway, not on a press in a factory. Thanks.
Nobody can live on $8 an hour. We need to raise the minimum wage to prevent further exploitation. $12 an hour would be a good start, given the current cost of living.
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