Let's not candy coat it..The economy has turn people into slaves. (employer, careers)

[NorthStarDelight]

Originally Posted by lovetheduns

As someone who has lived and worked in France, your statement makes no sense. I'm guessing you are coming up with that pipe dream based on a Tale of Two Cities tv movie or maybe you just finished watching Lea Miserables or something.

Your pipe dream doesn't exist. A welfare state can only exist when there is money to support it. Taxing to death anyone with "wealth" is not going to sustain a welfare state when that tax revenue flees. Of course I suppose when that happens they will then tax the salt of the earth at a much higher rate.

What would happen if the whole world "taxed the wealth"? Where would the rich flee to then? Would they do the John Galt thing and live in a mountain village and trade gold bars amongst themselves? As for the money, it's always there, like the water in the oceans. It's just concentrated in far too few hands in today's world, and taxing the rich is just a way to release that locked-up wealth and circulate it back through the economy, where it does the most good for the most people.

The problem with today's world is G-R-E-E-D, and it will be the downfall of every nation if we don't put a check to it somehow. But I'm willing to bet good money that 10, 15, or 30 years from now, France will be better off than the United States, simply because they actually care about each other more than we do here in this country. In the end, that's all that matters, humanity towards others.

And yes, stories such as "Tale of Two Cities" and "Les Miserables" mean a great deal to me, that's that kind of society that rampant greed creates, and we should pass these stories on to future generations lest this happen again. Also, the French film "Germinal" is a great story about the union movement back in France, and how the poor laborers fought literally to the death for the right to have a living wage. A highly recommended film.

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by NorthStarDelight

, France will be .

bankrupt as a nation long before the United States.

Like Greece, how much they care for each other will be decided by their creditors, the folks who OWN debtor nations that reach the point of needing bailouts to survive.

[NorthStarDelight]

Originally Posted by bobtn

bankrupt as a nation long before the United States.

Like Greece, how much they care for each other will be decided by their creditors, the folks who OWN debtor nations that reach the point of needing bailouts to survive.

If Greece was smart, they'd give a big "F-U" to their g-damned "creditors"...lol. I honestly believe that's what the United States will do with our foreign debt when it comes time to pay up - we'll just print up some moola and say, "here ya go, have a nice life"....lol. (Actually, we've already started that process, courtesy of Ben Bernanke. )

Will I and about 300 million other American care? Not in the least.

[Bruin Rick]

Originally Posted by Veyron

Seriously..Its apparent. It may not have been intentional...well actually it was..but people are slaves to the employeers, to the more establish class and to the government..

It may not be as direct as past slavery but its defiantly there. Not as apparant and more sophisticated but its there.

Jobs were outsourced.

Lol its just a nice way of saying the money you can earn was taken from you

And now your stuck doing dirt work for little pay.

Employeers robbed people of their independence intentionally.


Now people are forced to do things they don't want to do. Work jobs they never thought they had to do for little to nothing.
People are settling with the medicority...becoming comfortable with less..and on top of it calling basic freedoms like eating out, going to the movies, taking a vacation, buying somewhat expensive food, luxuries...


Well of course you can't buy or do any of those things.

Can't and slavery go hand and hand.

Get my point?

That my friends is slavery. Not an economy.

Welcome to slavery.

There is always crime. It pays too!

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by NorthStarDelight

If Greece was smart, they'd give a big "F-U" to their g-damned "creditors"...lol. I honestly believe that's what the United States will do with our foreign debt when it comes time to pay up - we'll just print up some moola and say, "here ya go, have a nice life"....lol. (Actually, we've already started that process, courtesy of Ben Bernanke. )

Will I and about 300 million other American care? Not in the least.

We have far more leverage than itty bitty Greece ever will with its creditors. They could ignore creditors, and wait for all food and resources to be exhausted, and do like Jim Jones at Jonestown.

Or they could man up and realize the creditors are giving them a shot to fix their mess.

[redroses777]

Originally Posted by Gatornation

The harsh reality is not everyone should have kids if you can't afford it. If your career consist of low wage jobs over 20 years lets say having kids becomes an economical decision instead of an emotional one.

Okay, I agree, but not everyone who is poor had kids while poor. Some of my coworkers worked in good-paying construction and manufacturing jobs and had children then lost their jobs. I know others who had sick children and ended up losing their jobs. Their kids' illnesses took all of their savings. Insurance doesn't always cover things like cancer treatments.

Sure there are those out there who made bad financial decisions to get pregnant while working in fast food. Hello, condoms are cheaper.

[KnownUnknown]

Originally Posted by redroses777

Okay, I agree, but not everyone who is poor had kids while poor. Some of my coworkers worked in good-paying construction and manufacturing jobs and had children then lost their jobs. I know others who had sick children and ended up losing their jobs. Their kids' illnesses took all of their savings. Insurance doesn't always cover things like cancer treatments.

Sure there are those out there who made bad financial decisions to get pregnant while working in fast food. Hello, condoms are cheaper.

Indeed, the lower class should not procreate.

[andywire]

Originally Posted by KnownUnknown

Indeed, the lower class should not procreate.

As redroses mentioned, what is middle class today may very well be lower class tomorrow. Who is to say which is which? If people are bouncing around income levels wildly, what exactly is to define "lower class"? I'm sure there are more than a few tragic stories of families being knocked down a few pegs on the social ladder in the past few years.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by KnownUnknown

Indeed, the lower class should not procreate.

I'm hoping this was meant sarcastically.

Where would we draw that line - only those with an income of ? could produce ? many children.

Interesting.

[NorthStarDelight]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

I'm hoping this was meant sarcastically.

Where would we draw that line - only those with an income of ? could produce ? many children.

Interesting.

I doubt it was...lol.

I do wonder what a society consisting of only the "elites" would be like - let's just say that only the very rich could have children, and they're genetically programmed to be super-geniuses, highly ambitious, etc. After about a hundred years or so, this would all you'd have in this society. So, does that mean every single one of these people would have excellent, high-paying careers? Would everyone be a millionaire, since everyone would have the "right stuff" to become one? And what about the service occupations - who would want to be a lowly cashier, or a garbagean, or a factory worker?

Just some thoughts to ponder...