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Old 07-04-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: On the edge of the universe
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I myself wouldn't beat up on the OP. Even the best hiring managers end up with someone who isn't going to show up for work or does a bad job. No one can be 100% of who is a good employee and who isn't. Anyone that pretends to obviously hasn't worked as a hiring manager. With that being said, I'd let those people who are consistent no shows go. It's one thing if you call out sick once or twice a year. It's another if it happens once or twice a week.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Whatever. Complain all you want about the lack of work ethics. If YOU aren't doing anything to implement change in your organizations then I frankly don't see a point.

Instead of the OP talking to the employees, he is just going to let them go. If he thinks they are good employees then he would find out if they could make adjustments to ensure that they arrive on time and let them know the repercussions to their actions. What about warnings? Are those not given anymore.

I guess just mental notes kept in the OPs head. Who knows?

Obviously he doesn't feel they are good employees if he is so quick to let them go. So, that didn't come across during the interview?

I do, I put them on corrective action. I also help manage them out. Sometimes it is a bad fit, so I actually work their IDP towards how they can help us while helping themselves by having a more robust resume. We even share job openings in other companies in the area that certain people may be interested in.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Instead of the OP talking to the employees, he is just going to let them go. If he thinks they are good employees then he would find out if they could make adjustments to ensure that they arrive on time and let them know the repercussions to their actions. What about warnings? Are those not given anymore.
He should let them go. Warnings are redundent during probation. If one fails to do the basics (show up on time SEVERAL times), one is let go near the end of probation.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Provo, Utah
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This thread reminds me of how I once read that Manager is the most thankless job at Mcdonalds. Because the Mcworkers just want a check, the Mcboss just wants profits and you're caught in the middle. I don't know what type of business the OP manages, but it does seem like something with low hourly pay, and that he's been bitten by the "entitlement" mentality of some employees today.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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This thread reminds me of how I once read that Manager is the most thankless job at Mcdonalds. Because the Mcworkers just want a check, the Mcboss just wants profits and you're caught in the middle. I don't know what type of business the OP manages, but it does seem like something with low hourly pay, and that he's been bitten by the "entitlement" mentality of some employees today.

Perhaps the sweet spot is to hire McWorkers who have been fired once or twice. Since they most likely have no or little savings, it should not take many McFirings for them to comprehend why they should see the light.
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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depends on what kind of job. In my field(software engineer), everybody goes to work late. Nobody really care as long as you finish you job. We don't really have opinion. we can't fire them because where is shortage of top engineers out there.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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How much pay, what the job is for, and the background of the hired employees is the biggest pieces of information for us to judge the situation.

You just don't hire 10 year experienced MBAs for 65K/year and expect them to come to work all gung-ho.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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Perhaps I misjudged. See, I was under the impression that coming to work on time and doing your job was the bare minimum. If the employee does that, they are given a paycheck. Maybe I've had it wrong all these years.

If an applicant finds out that the pay is not enough for him to perform the basic duties of the job, why take it?

And the attitude of some people here is exactly why companies deem applicants "overqualified" for many positions.

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Old 07-04-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I am only 26. .
Oh.
Now I get it.
Millennial strikes again.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Yeah, when I worked minimum wage ($4.25), I didn't use that as an excuse to be a lazy slacker.
It's called a work ethic.
Showing up a bit early and being prepared right from the start time is a good thing. it goes a long way being reliable in addition to performing well.
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