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Old 07-28-2012, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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First, corporations outsourced to Japan.

Than it was to Mexico.

Than it was to China.

Now it's to India and Vietnam.

What's the next place companies will go to?

Pakistan and Afghanistan are too unstable, Myanmar is under a military junta, and much of Africa does not have the infrastructure necessary to support mass outsourcing.
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Old 07-28-2012, 03:03 AM
 
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Actually, first, corporations outsourced to the United States of America.

There's countries missing from your list: Brazil, Malaysia, Singapore, Peru, Ireland, etc.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Sub-Sahara Africa...
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Actually, first, corporations outsourced to the United States of America.

There's countries missing from your list: Brazil, Malaysia, Singapore, Peru, Ireland, etc.
Damn straight. We were the "China" to England during the industrial revolution. A lot of people just don't seem to understand the history. Of course, folks from England were not immigrating here to work in our factories. They may have complained about the new competition, but they could make plenty more in their own country, which is exactly what most of them did.

Plenty along the Pacific Rim that he's also not including. If he wants to make underwear for a living, he can always move there. I think I will be staying put

Anyways, various African nations will be the next move. The Chinese have been investing heavily there, building railroads and laying infrastructure for a reason. The Chinese are looking to outsource THEIR slave wage jobs there. Maybe if they can outsource their consumer goods work there, they can get a better deal and spur consumer market growth. It's basically a matter of crap flowing downhill, but it's the same thing that turned America into one of the strongest consumer driven economies for more than a couple decades.

Another thing to mention... Everytime a fire in some poor African town kills hundreds in a textile plant or other slave wage shop.... The world doesn't flinch. Yes, crap does flow down hill, but you tell ME if it's gonna influence your spending behaviors?
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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Another thing to mention... Everytime a fire in some poor African town kills hundreds in a textile plant or other slave wage shop.... The world doesn't flinch. Yes, crap does flow down hill, but you tell ME if it's gonna influence your spending behaviors?
Partly true - there's an assumption of choice there which we don't always get to make...

For example, try to buy a cell phone, or almost any piece of commerical electronics built in this nation. You can't, and those decisions were made long before people of my generation had any buying power... and it is not realistic to be luddite and just refuse to buy one since it wasn't made here.

That being said, you're right in saying that people buy the cheapest trash available - advertising "low, low prices!" works wonders on the masses... too bad about the jobs!
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Partly true - there's an assumption of choice there which we don't always get to make...

For example, try to buy a cell phone, or almost any piece of commerical electronics built in this nation. You can't, and those decisions were made long before people of my generation had any buying power... and it is not realistic to be luddite and just refuse to buy one since it wasn't made here.

That being said, you're right in saying that people buy the cheapest trash available - advertising "low, low prices!" works wonders on the masses... too bad about the jobs!
It's not all about price. When it comes to electronics, you have China (low end), or you have Japan (high end). The Japanese learned there is no money in making cheap, crappy consumer electronics. Learn to make high quality products for the folks with a little extra money, and your company will be much better off. The problem is this country is chasing all the low end work with high labor costs. We can't compete with the Chinese on price, yet we don't want to put the effort in to effectively compete with Germany or Japan. Making high end manufactured goods is not exactly easy brainless work, but tell me how many of the smart kids are lining up to work in manufacturing in this country
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Kids lining up? The jobs aren't there you right wing kook.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:12 AM
 
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Kids lining up? The jobs aren't there you right wing kook.
That's because they have been leaving this country for years without so much as a whisper of care from the consumers who helped them pack you left wing radical.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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I am tired of people like you blaming the unemployed for this ridiculous system people like you supported.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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I don't think anyone here is supporting outsourcing, really.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the main issue is that choices - choosing the lowest cost above all else - have consquences, such as the loss of jobs to cheap, "slave labor" nations. Similary, choosing not to find a market in which to compete results in loss of jobs and capabilties.

The part that rightly burns folks up is when the choices were made without their consent. For example, by the time I was a "consumer," many of the jobs were already gone, especially in certain fields. It is unfortunate that those who created the problem and who got the ball rolling with massive jobs losses in this nation will not the ones to suffer the real consquences... those will fall on my generation and other younger people.
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