News, Nissan's New Hires: Temps for 5 Years. (credit, highest, job)

[Merjolie8]

Originally Posted by Wartrace

That's the same thing they did at the Smyrna plant. I heard the starting wage was 11 an hour however it may have been slightly higher.

I think this is becoming the "Norm" for employers. You have to figure that after five years of temping only the very best workers will still be around. You can bring in a batch of 100 workers and start weeding them out.

Correction: only the worst would still be around after 5 years, the best would have found better job opportunities long ago.

And this kind of growth is what is taking down this country. The rich getting richer and the poor subsidizing them. No wonder why the economy is collapsing.

[Wartrace]

Originally Posted by Merjolie8

Correction: only the worst would still be around after 5 years, the best would have found better job opportunities long ago.

And this kind of growth is what is taking down this country. The rich getting richer and the poor subsidizing them. No wonder why the economy is collapsing.

To be honest I don't know what they're thinking. Maybe the incentive to become a full time worker would be enough to keep the better workers on temp status for five years....

My theory with the Smyrna plant is they are hiring for the "Leaf" production and that is a questionable car in my opinion. It has very limited usefulness as an in town car (limited range of 100 miles) and it is very expensive. Maybe they aren't sure it will take off?

[Wartrace]

I think Nissan stands out because they actually SAID they would keep these people on temp for five years. A LOT of company's do the same thing but don't tell anyone of their plans.

[Tekkie]

Originally Posted by Wartrace

I think Nissan stands out because they actually SAID they would keep these people on temp for five years. A LOT of company's do the same thing but don't tell anyone of their plans.

My first employer after college attempted to do something similar. After a few months I was tired of making a low wage and not receiving any benefits on top of it, so I just about jumped ship. Once they found out that I was about to leave, they gave me a 14% raise and bennies. IMO, you have to play the game just as ruthless as them. Companies don't typically hire people so they have to replace them in a few months.

[MrRational]

I'm not opposed to a NO BENEFIT's system.

Whether that's paid time for holidays or vacation or personal leave
or any other traditional benefit like HI (a whole other issue).

The concern is how much people get paid for the time that they DO work...
that they can be a grown up about it and set aside $X per week to pay for their time off.
Nissan is trying to have it both ways.

[Tekkie]

Originally Posted by MrRational

I'm not opposed to a NO BENEFIT's system.

Whether that's paid time for holidays or vacation or personal leave
or any other traditional benefit like HI (a whole other issue).

The concern is how much people get paid for the time that they DO work...
that they can be a grown up about it and set aside $X per week to pay for their time off.
Nissan is trying to have it both ways.

I agree. At the very least, pay them enough to put money away for medical and time off. $12/hr. or whatever they're paying is not going to cut it.

[andywire]

Originally Posted by Wartrace

I think Nissan stands out because they actually SAID they would keep these people on temp for five years. A LOT of company's do the same thing but don't tell anyone of their plans.

Not far from the truth really. In the plants I have worked, most of the low or unskilled labor is temp, often illegal immigrants. $8-$9/hr actually get's you those production workers in droves up here too. The worst is when they actually do make some of them full time employees, they act like it's some type of privileged or something. America really has regressed. When you hear about jobs coming back and employers desperately seeking manufacturing workers, this is a big part of it. Pretty sad. And they wonder why quality has gone to crap in this country. Can't ask for much pride in workmanship from an $8 temp. You get what you give.

Originally Posted by Tekkie

I agree. At the very least, pay them enough to put money away for medical and time off. $12/hr. or whatever they're paying is not going to cut it.

$12/hr wouldn't be a bad starting wage for Mississippi. I could probably live on that down there without a problem.

The problem is... It's Mississippi... Yuck.

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by andywire

Outsourced to whom exactly? No one equips themselves with the capability to assemble full automobiles. That would be outrageously impractical. Maybe light assembly work, but automakers always do the bulk of the big work inhouse.

Nissan can build the assembly plant and outsource the jobs. Train a subset of the people and then let those train the rest. I'll be honest and say that I've never worked in the automobile industry. But I've done this with medical devices. Once the company got the manufacturing process down, they outsourced the work to a third party. The scientists and engineers were still there for QA... but the work was done by someone else.

[New-in-NEO]

So now we're complaining about these jobs too? No wonder companies outsource! We're a nation of whiners!

[myrc60]

Originally Posted by New-in-NEO

So now we're complaining about these jobs too? No wonder companies outsource! We're a nation of whiners!

I wanna see you support a family on $12/hr paying a modest mortgage and a car payment! Really? It can't be done unless you starve your family on top of it; I don't care where you live! Good luck!

No way would I ever work a job for 5 years before expecting to be hired full-time. It's Mississippi; people are desperate for jobs as they are here in South Carolina; they'll do it but some aren't going to be happy. Same thing is happening where I am.

This country needs stronger labor laws to prevent this sort of thing.