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I couldn't believe it when my Mom could no longer live in Colorado due to altitude she rented her place and one cleaning lady wanted $25 an hour. WTF? I know things cost more in a small resort town, but this wasn't Vail. I called up the lady and said she should be ashamed of taking advantage of the elderly and found someone at a reasonable price.
Oh no YOU DIDNT just say that. Who do you think you are? I clean for a living and charge the same $25 rate. Ever heard of taxes, insurance, licenses? who do you think pays for that? the biz owner of course. So step down off your horse.
Oh no YOU DIDNT just say that. Who do you think you are? I clean for a living and charge the same $25 rate. Ever heard of taxes, insurance, licenses? who do you think pays for that? the biz owner of course. So step down off your horse.
Who do you think you are? Gouging people for unskilled labor and I hardly believe you pay taxes/insurance prove it. Most cleaning jobs are done by illegals.
Now, in fairness, if you own a Molly Maids or something I can see you charging $25 an hour because your are probably paying all the taxes, workmen's comp, etc. Even MM sends illegals out to clean homes because I seen it first hand in my neighborhood.
Who do you think you are? Gouging people for unskilled labor and I hardly believe you pay taxes/insurance prove it. Most cleaning jobs are done by illegals.
Now, in fairness, if you own a Molly Maids or something I can see you charging $25 an hour because your are probably paying all the taxes, workmen's comp, etc. Even MM sends illegals out to clean homes because I seen it first hand in my neighborhood.
Wow. Gouging people for unskilled labor? May I ask what do you? Seeing that you don't sound quite educated and considering you think $25 per hour is price gouging? I would say the contrary. If you hire someone charging $10 an hour then u are knowingly hiring a illegal or someone not paying taxes. Which is contributing to the same problem you are whining about. Your argument makes no sense, which again leads me to the question, where do you work? Btw you are sounding very stereotypical considering that you are assuming some of merry maids people are illegals. How did you find this info out? Did you ask for their paperwork or something. Or let me guess that walked up to you and said "hi, im an illegal". Foolishness.
And yes I pay taxes and have biz insurance and am licensed. And no I am not interested in proving anything to you since you sound less important than you think you are. Yes most cleaning may be done by illegals, but quit whining and live off your own hard work.
I couldn't believe it when my Mom could no longer live in Colorado due to altitude she rented her place and one cleaning lady wanted $25 an hour. WTF? I know things cost more in a small resort town, but this wasn't Vail. I called up the lady and said she should be ashamed of taking advantage of the elderly and found someone at a reasonable price.
A self employed person making $25 an hour. . . .
Assuming they are able to work 40 hours a week (and get paid by all of their customers: including property owners that have issues with altitude).
That's $1,000 a week for 48 weeks in a year, factoring in a couple of weeks off for vacation and/or any sick days that are not being paid.
So - now we are at $48,000 a year and that once again is based on actually having work lined up 8 hours a day, five days a week. If you factor in occasionaly four or five hour days along with some weeks where all five days are not scheduled, it is closer to about $42,000 a year.
Now since the person charging $25 an hour is running a business they will have the following expenses.
I just called a buddy that works for a commercial insurance company in Washington and asked what approximately the insurance requirements for a cleaning person in Colorado would be if they were a legitimate business. He said they have to post a $1,000 bond annually with the state along with about $800 in general liability insurance:
$1,800 / year
Then fuel to go to all of the jobs making $25 an hour. About $75 a week / or $300 a month is a reasonable estimate.
$3,600 / year
Along with vehicle insurance (conservative estimate $80 a month)
$960 / year
Marketing for the "business"
$1,200 / year (which is a really low number just used for this particular analysis)
General cleaning supplies
$1,000 / year
Other and miscellaneous expenses running a business (including cell phone)
1,400 / year
Combined total is about $10,000 a year subtracted from $42,000 a year.
So net profit from the business is now reduced to $32,000 a year
Anyone that is making $32,000 a year will not qualify for any type of state funded medical assistance so
take another $300 a month out for self employed health insurance since the person will not get a group rate through an employer. $3,600 / year
Now, we are down to $28,400 per year. Also, important to note on the person's IRS tax form: Schedule C since they are a business they will also have to file a Schedule SE which covers Social Security taxes and Medicare - and they will have to pay both the employer and employee portions so they are paying it twice which will be about $2,600 a year (with a deduction on their 1040 for half of it). Bringing their 1040 income down to $25,800. Factoring in a standard deduction and exemption, they will pay taxes on adjusted gross income of about $16,000 which will be about $1,200 - so now the $25,800 is down to $24,600.
That is about $2,000 a month left when it is all said and done and in a part of the country where the cost of living is alot higher than other parts. $2,000 a month and/or $500 a week for the honor and privilege of being able to clean other people's toilets and floors.
Wow. You should go tell your mommy to clean her own place if she is too cheap to afford to have somebody to it.
On a sidenote. If anyone is wondering why the economy collapsed the way it did in the last three and a half years. FYI - it was not just some Federal Reserve fiat money, loose credit, government manipulation along with questionable practices in the financial sector. There is a psychological-financial cancer amongst the general population and the rigid class structures that have developed in the last three decades that make a general future rise in economic conditions almost impossible as long as the free flow of goods and services are hindered by people (some consumers) that lack a working relationship with reality and objective aspects of economics. If anyone thinks that $25 an hour is too much to pay a self employed business person to clean, go find some more crack to smoke.
Assuming they are able to work 40 hours a week (and get paid by all of their customers: including property owners that have issues with altitude).
That's $1,000 a week for 48 weeks in a year, factoring in a couple of weeks off for vacation and/or any sick days that are not being paid.
So - now we are at $48,000 a year and that once again is based on actually having work lined up 8 hours a day, five days a week. If you factor in occasionaly four or five hour days along with some weeks where all five days are not scheduled, it is closer to about $42,000 a year.
Now since the person charging $25 an hour is running a business they will have the following expenses.
I just called a buddy that works for a commercial insurance company in Washington and asked what approximately the insurance requirements for a cleaning person in Colorado would be if they were a legitimate business. He said they have to post a $1,000 bond annually with the state along with about $800 in general liability insurance:
$1,800 / year
Then fuel to go to all of the jobs making $25 an hour. About $75 a week / or $300 a month is a reasonable estimate.
$3,600 / year
Along with vehicle insurance (conservative estimate $80 a month)
$960 / year
Marketing for the "business"
$1,200 / year (which is a really low number just used for this particular analysis)
General cleaning supplies
$1,000 / year
Other and miscellaneous expenses running a business (including cell phone)
1,400 / year
Combined total is about $10,000 a year subtracted from $42,000 a year.
So net profit from the business is now reduced to $32,000 a year
Anyone that is making $32,000 a year will not qualify for any type of state funded medical assistance so
take another $300 a month out for self employed health insurance since the person will not get a group rate through an employer. $3,600 / year
Now, we are down to $28,400 per year. Also, important to note on the person's IRS tax form: Schedule C since they are a business they will also have to file a Schedule SE which covers Social Security taxes and Medicare - and they will have to pay both the employer and employee portions so they are paying it twice which will be about $2,600 a year (with a deduction on their 1040 for half of it). Bringing their 1040 income down to $25,800. Factoring in a standard deduction and exemption, they will pay taxes on adjusted gross income of about $16,000 which will be about $1,200 - so now the $25,800 is down to $24,600.
That is about $2,000 a month left when it is all said and done and in a part of the country where the cost of living is alot higher than other parts. $2,000 a month and/or $500 a week for the honor and privilege of being able to clean other people's toilets and floors.
Wow. You should go tell your mommy to clean her own place if she is too cheap to afford to have somebody to it.
On a sidenote. If anyone is wondering why the economy collapsed the way it did in the last three and a half years. FYI - it was not just some Federal Reserve fiat money, loose credit, government manipulation along with questionable practices in the financial sector. There is a psychological-financial cancer amongst the general population and the rigid class structures that have developed in the last three decades that make a general future rise in economic conditions almost impossible as long as the free flow of goods and services are hindered by people (some consumers) that lack a working relationship with reality and objective aspects of economics. If anyone thinks that $25 an hour is too much to pay a self employed business person to clean, go find some more crack to smoke.
Skydive Outlaw
Most aircraft mechanics don't make that much. Ya know, the people who had to go to school for a minimum of 2 years, constantly go to seminars and training sessions to keep up with the technology, know how to troubleshoot and fix extremely complicated aviation systems and keep up with the ever changing government regulation (or risk going to jail with a felony) to keep huge machines up in the air get paid less per hour than a cleaning lady. When I started 5 years ago I was getting paid $11 an hour in a very high COL area.
On a sidenote. If anyone is wondering why the economy collapsed the way it did in the last three and a half years. FYI - it was not just some Federal Reserve fiat money, loose credit, government manipulation along with questionable practices in the financial sector. There is a psychological-financial cancer amongst the general population and the rigid class structures that have developed in the last three decades that make a general future rise in economic conditions almost impossible as long as the free flow of goods and services are hindered by people (some consumers) that lack a working relationship with reality and objective aspects of economics. If anyone thinks that $25 an hour is too much to pay a self employed business person to clean, go find some more crack to smoke.
Skydive Outlaw
This sums it up! Until someone actually goes out and completes all the steps necessary in starting their own business, they really have no idea of how it works. Practice over theory.
If I may add: SO didn't even include state and local income tax that must be paid, or putting any money aside for things like retirement or college funds. But, that post did an excellent breakdown of just how much comes out of that $48K. I would gladly pay someone twenty-five or thirty dollars an hour to clean my place if I needed it.
$25 an hour is not outrageous for a house cleaner that is reliable and trustworthy. You are letting this person into your home. Where you live. With your family. Do you really want to let price be the only, or even the main, consideration?
Great fake name, "Knox Harrington". Sounds like the TV serial hero, with chiseled features and a determined look, facing into the wind....
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