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If I'm not mistaken, Hostess was saved from bankruptcy by venture capitalists twice in the recent past. The company was in financial trouble and was being run by people who knew nothing about baking. This recent union thing may have been the final nail in the coffin, but it was by no means the cause.
ETA, not to mention that people are becoming more health conscience and twinkies contain everything we're told to avoid.
Care to post a study of a full service airline which is profitable and has not had help from its union?
It`s a well known fact that airlines and unions are always at odds. So many legacy airlines have gone bankrupt because of this..I used to work for one. Yes, management made millions while the airlines were losing money. But tens of thousands of workers got paid double and triple time for sitting around and doing nothing because of union work rules. That`s the way it is in most unions..like someone pointed out about non-union utility workers not being able to do certain work in areas hit by sandy because of other union companies.
The fact of the matter is, this isn`t your father or grandfather`s America. We have to get used to that. Most unions ( notice I said most, not all) usually represent workers that are either unskilled or work in a trade that have people lined up ready to take their job for less money. Heck, even pilots, probably the most highly trained of the union representatives, have found their pay and benefits going down. Everyone likes to think they are worth a certain amount of money. The truth is, you are worth what the market says you are worth. If other people are doing your job for 10.00/hr and you are getting paid 20.00, then you better take what you can get, regardless of what management is making. Because you will lose every time. If you want to be one of those corporate people making the big bucks, then you need to work toward that. Those guys getting the golden parachutes didn`t just wake up one day and get that position. They probably worked years for it or someone in their family paid the price building the company. Most of us aren`t willing to pay the price or we aren`t high achievers. That`s why we don`t end up with the high paying postions.
Look, there are plenty of jobs where we consider some to be overpaid and others to be underpaid. Look at athletes or hollywood types. Some athletes can hardly speak english, though they went to some of the best universities. Some of them are dumber than a box of rocks, but they make millions. There are actors, actresses, drug addicted thugs in the music industry making millions. Noone says a word, while the rodies, gophers, drivers, etc. make peanuts. These people make millions, while a lot of other more noble professions are scraping by. That`s life. You`re worth what the market says you are worth. If people pay 10.00 to go to a movie, pay 20.00 for a cd, pay 200.00 for a concert ticket, or pay 100.00 for game tickets, then that`s their right. It`s the same thing with ceo`s of companies. They get paid because someone is willing to pay it. If you are so highly trained or bring some great skill to the table that few others have, someone will pay you. There are a lot of bakers, cops, pilots, electricians, etc. out there. That`s why they aren`t getting paid huge dollars. Teachers wouldn`t be getting the pensions and perks they get if it wasn`t a public union. If they were a private union, they probably would have been busted years ago. Why? Because there are a lot of teachers out there that would work the same job for less benefits. It`s all about supply and demand, not what you consider to be fair or what you personally think you`re worth. I think I have more skills than most of the athletes I see. But they have the one skill that matters as far as money. I should have taken football and baseball more seriously in high school. Most of us are where we are because of the choices we made in life. If I could go back I would have chosen a different career path. But I don`t blame the rich guys. I envy them. Whether they got there by sheer hard work, high achievement, or just plain luck. I wasn`t willing to put in the hours. I was too busy having fun and loving life. But that`s the path I chose.
like someone pointed out about non-union utility workers not being able to do certain work in areas hit by sandy because of other union companies.
Let's see some citations for this myth...
But I have to hand it to FOX news... They do know how to ruffle some feathers...
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Most of us are where we are because of the choices we made in life. If I could go back I would have chosen a different career path. But I don`t blame the rich guys. I envy them. Whether they got there by sheer hard work, high achievement, or just plain luck. I wasn`t willing to put in the hours. I was too busy having fun and loving life. But that`s the path I chose.
