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The fact that you responded to calls for fairness and justice and decency with allusions about violence and brutality and bloodshed probably says all that needs to be said about your comment.
The problem is who decides what is fair? who deserves justice? The corrupt politicians? The problem with letting the government decide everything for you is that they turn on the people very quickly. Fact is the United States has been the most successful country in the history of the world, and the citizens have been treated as well as any country has treated their citizens, however the more control the government is allowed to have, the more the country has begun to struggle. But keep pushing that utopia, it worked so well for the Soviet Union and the Chinese people love it so much they are pushing for freedom every day.
The fact that you responded to calls for fairness and justice and decency with allusions about violence and brutality and bloodshed probably says all that needs to be said about your comment.
There is nothing fair, just, and decent about socialism. Go get educated on it first.
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Some people have worked to better themselves, investing much of their time and money to gain advanced education, and still end up flipping burgers or housekeeping. The problem is that over the last generation economic inequality has more than doubled, and over the last ten years wages have been flat (really, declined in real terms) as business has been given free reign to aggressively exploit its unique power over employees to actively reduce the value of work, and reduce the availability of living wage jobs. While it can be legitimately claimed that business is just doing what it is supposed to, that doesn't reverse the reality of the impact of the unilateral changes to our economy that business has been allowed to bring about, and doesn't remedy the deep and increasingly deeper gap of living wage jobs. The imbalance has to be not only rectified going forward, so the gap is not made yet-even-deeper, but the impact of the last generation plus worth of imbalance needs to be reversed as well.
The fact that you responded to calls for fairness and justice and decency with allusions about violence and brutality and bloodshed probably says all that needs to be said about your comment.
And let me talk to you about violence. The heart of the Marxist and Leninist ideology, which you are in lockstep with, is the revolution, which is a violent revolution, and the establishment of the Dictatorship of Proletariat. Lenin, and later Stalin, who perfected Marxism in real life, turned Proletariat's Dictatorship into a science in real life. Why? Because, that's the only way to opress dissent, which will naturally arise.
A socialist regime has no way to exist, but through violence. You can't even speak your mind, which in some case, has become the norm in our PC America. Because Govt, in the name of the People and the middle class, will persecute, mock trails will find you guilty, you, AND your family will be relocated to some dump, away from your relatives, etc. And they will execute you, often times, without even a mock trail. Tell me, please that this has never happened.
Violence? When students demontrated in Beijing's square, who used violence and tanks to quell the uprising? In Romania, who opened fire against the students?
How about this, stay in school, get an education, NOT produce babies you can't afford, don't take drugs or drink alcohol heavily, maybe go to a trade school if college isn't for you.
I have not made minimum wage since the short term job I had between HS and college.
Oh and I paid off MY student loans which had an interest rate of 6%, which was very low at the time, NOW they scream it is too high. Well boo f'n hoo. You pay them off if it takes your entire life.
, same here, my sole minimum wage warm body job ended at age 17. I also paid off student loans with higher interest rates than what is being whined about now. Of course, I worked throughout summers, and 30-35 hours per week and weekend during the college year, and earned some scholarships to boot, in a concerted effort to minimize the need for loans.
We sit down together and compromise on a definition.
We don't filibuster to avoid there being a definition.
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The problem with letting the government decide everything for you is that they turn on the people very quickly.
Our system is the worst system there is except for all the others that have ever been dreamed of.
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There is nothing fair, just, and decent about socialism. Go get educated on it first.
Ooooo you used the boogieman word. And made a vacuous personal attack. Pointing out the gross immorality of something you support must have stuck a nerve with you.
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And let me talk to you about violence.
Stop trying to rationalize away support for immoral injustice. Stop trying to rationalize away opposition to basic human decency. If you want to make things better another way, then go ahead do so, leaving the safety net intact while you're making your attempt. If you're successful and make the things you don't like unnecessary, I'll be the first to say we should get rid of those things. But don't think you'll have an unrebutted soapbox for asserting that which fosters your own personal comfort and luxury over the basic needs of others.
I was talking to a man at home depot yesterday. He has been with the company for over fifteen years. He told me lots of people like him were being let go. So that the company can hire new people at minimum wage and no benefits. When you make demands on business and impose new regulations, don't be surprised when they have to make changes. That my friend is change you can believe in.
Classic finish. Should we all do the "Hopey Changey" dance?
You also can't go around judging people. You don't know how a person got there. Just because you got it going on in life, doesn't mean everyone can. For you and others with that judgmental thinking better watch it. One day you may find yourself in the same position of the people you judge. Maybe then you will understand.
I have friends and family in the fast food restaurants, and they have been there for a while. I also know people who got out. The difference is really that those that stay either don't have the ambition, or are content with the status quo, or a combination of both. There are plenty of transients too, who do it for a short time, then move to something else. It's really just like many things in life. You get paid peanuts for low-value, high-turnover, no-skill or low-skill jobs. That's retail and the food industry.
And I compare them with construction laborers, who do much harder jobs for marginally better pay.
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, same here, my sole minimum wage warm body job ended at age 17. I also paid off student loans with higher interest rates than what is being whined about now. Of course, I worked throughout summers, and 30-35 hours per week and weekend during the college year, and earned some scholarships to boot, in a concerted effort to minimize the need for loans.
