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So do you only buy Merican? Only American products, produced in America by well paid people regardless of price point?
I try to - my latest car, for example, is a Ford that was proudly assembled in Dearborn Michigan. Even the sticker in the window happily declares that, which is one of the reasons I went for it. I also minimize purchase of cheap, imported junk in general (though I don't really buy a lot of anything), and refuse to shop at Wal-mart unless I am buying the same product as I'd get someplace else and there really is no American-made equivalent.
There still is some consumer stuff made in this nation, if you look for them. Some jeans are still made in this nation - a quick Google search will reveal, that, and apparently some Motorola cell phones are assembled in the US, which surprised me, though I haven't needed a new cell phone in ages.
Still, your post is really a slide away from the original question an attempt to attack the poster (me) vs. confronting the facts.
So, here's the reality: there are some products for which there are either no American made product lines or none that may meet various people's needs. Just because I thus have to buy a foreign product in those cases does not make me "part of the problem." Outsourcing was well under-way long before I was even old enough to have a job, much less spend any real money on much of anything. In short, I didn't really have any choice in the matter, and while I do what I can, that ship has sailed along time ago.
Each of us should do what we can, but to act as if anybody who has ever purchased a foreign-made product "doesn't care about America" and thus we shouldn't address the economic polices that got us here because "we are all guilty" makes about as much sense as saying that anyone who as ever told a white-lie is a "criminal liar" and thus we shouldn't have laws. It's a half-baked attempt to sidestep the issue and pretend "everyone is equally guilty," which we all know to be false.
So, how about you? I assume you only buy America-made products, right?
"China taxes the richest both on income along with taxing luxury consumption by the wealthy. A wealthy chinese can pay 3 - 5 times more for a car, a house, jewelry or a boat than it costs for Americans to buy in America because of luxury taxes. Besides, China's COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP doesn't need to put a salary cap on monies they can take away anytime they want. Conversely, China eliminates and lowers taxes on the middle class and poor."
You sound like you know China so much when actually you don't. Your Chinese blood in you does not always prove you know everything about China.
Can you tell me how China taxes its richest both on income along with taxing luxury consumption? I earn money in both countries, I pay half the income tax rate to the Chinese government than I pay to the American government. You talk about how wealthy Chinese have to pay 3 to 5 times to buy luxury stuff. Do you know this only applies to imported luxury stuff? And rich or poor, they pay the same price. For all domestically made stuff, they pay the same price too. The Chinese government puts a high import tax on any imported stuff because they want to motivate companies to manufacture their goods in China. But the Chinese government gives a tax break for all exported Goods for the same reason. By doing this, they encourage export but discourage import from other countries. Doesn't matter how good you can produce, but if you cannot sell your production, how is that going to help? The Chinese government definitely understands this. They are creating jobs for their people. When The American government is taxing its own companies desperately high, it is weakening their competence to compete globally. It is raising because the government strategy and the government support to business, not because the slave-workers you media tells you.
The point I was making is that China is making economic progress by controlling the "free market" to their advantage and rhetoric about having totally free markets is a myth.
I used consumption tax as 1 of few examples of how China was spreading the wealth. China is not simply "Capitalist" as was claimed... I argued that China uses a mixture of capitalist, socialist, cultural ideologies to improve it's economy and China is not against trying to alleviate the burdens of the poor by targeting the wealthier chinese. China also raised minimum wages.
Thats simply one sample that I used to show that China doesn't sit back & just allow the "Free Market" to dictate what happens. China's government make things happen. Besides, everything you've posted above has been used time and again arguing about China.There are other positive & negative viewpoints, and I agree with some and disagree with some. Noone is 100% correct. The whole story is far more complicated than what can be explained on a post and opinions can be a matter of perspective.
The United States AND China both made blunders along the way and only time can tell which final system will work best. China is certainly not a paradise and I would definitely not choose to live there right now, so your post saying that China knows how to help it's people but the U.S. doesn't has yet to play out to its conclusion.
As I've said many times, I like China's GOALS and they are doing good things to improve the lives of it's people but the U.S. is a free country with better healthcare & social services. The U.S. is the #1 economic & political superpower. China still has a long way to go to become America's equal.
no i would not support it. what i would support is required yearly alternating independent auditors at companies that make over a certain amount of money, because those companies have the potential to really damage the average american stock market hopeful by business ethic corruption
no i would not support it. what i would support is required yearly alternating independent auditors at companies that make over a certain amount of money, because those companies have the potential to really damage the average american stock market hopeful by business ethic corruption
Yearly alternating? Guess where that money is coming from?
And you're completely missing the point. It's not about Wal-mart specifically, but about what they represent along with all the others. When the ignorant idiots I described praise Wal-mart while ignoring the crushing effect out-sourcing has had on our nation's job market, they are praising the whole economic policy that has sent our jobs overseas to slave-labor nations. Wal-mart is just often used as short-hand for that policy, not as the singular case of a company that follows that concept, though they are worse than average in many ways. You know better than that - deflecting the question to a pile of other stores in no way changes the facts.
They represent we finally have to compete on a level playing field, as it is now possible, w/o undue burden for Asian producers to get their wares into markets 8,000 miles away. That is great for the consumer, and if we are smart, we'll modify our employment patterns towards higher end activity.
We're also seeing some in-sourcing, which means America has gotten their costs in line in these industries, and that means foreign competition strengthened us. Just as it did the D3-who made garbage during their oligopoly years, but they have improved largely by adopting many of the same principles as the Asian transplants. The bankruptcy was caused by not getting their production costs in line fast enough, and the Recession/Bankruptcy cuts helped there!, but their quality ratings have improved in the Transplant US mfg era.
BTW Rambler123,The reason citizens were duped into blaming WM is they fell for spin from unions who were simply after extorting dues from 1.5 million people.
So you are a hypocrit concerning your accusation of me not knowing that there are good and bad CEOs and not everything is black & white... Lol. I've always made the distinction between bad & good in CEOs, in unions and in countries.
Like I proved, you are the one claiming different unions in different countries are all bad. You view is simplistic and flawed.
You are lying. I said clearly that unions can be bad or good depending on what they do.
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Am I the Original poster? I mentioned I was basing on % on other employees salaries and using the companies profits as OPTIONS... as well as it needing to be flexible for different companies to implement.
I never claimed an exact number or specific plan because it will take a group of "experts" to come up with an actual % number / policy. I agree with the basic premise of salary caps, not exactly how it is to be implemented or who implements it.
I am assuming we talk about the original poster idea, since we are posting in this thread. If you are talking about something different, then you need to state that. You never clearly stated you disagree with the original poster.
But if you do think original poster is a bad idea, then why implement caps at all. The caps will have to be so high it will be meaningless. You seem to only wants caps because they feel good.
I don't want caps, because there is no point in implementing them, they are completly meaningless.
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You used companies with UNION conflicts as examples blaming the UNIONS for the companies bankruptcy.
I pointed out that bankrupted companies with unions had CEO's who were incompetent and overpaid so the fault lies in both. Those were the ONLY CEOs I was referring to when calling them overpaid and incompetent.
That quote has zero relevancy to whatever is written above.
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Lol, that one liner doesn't specify what better model meant? Perhaps the rest of the post would clarify.
Yep, the rest of the post clarifies. You were posting about how great China is and as a stupid American I could never understand China. Then it was shown you know nothing about China, you even thought China was communist country.
Then I showed you that China are not having a lot of protections or regulations to protect workers. And now you want China to adopt American ideas.
Now you are saying you were sarcastic. If you were really sarcastic, then you wouldn't have included South Korea. You are lying. You changed your mind and is too embarrased to admit it, because it shows how little you knew about China.
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Your simplistic mind thinks Venezuela is a good example to compare with China, a country of 1.3 billion.... not mine.
Try to improve your reading comprhension. I said you seem to support the policies adoped in Venezuela. You do not support the policies in China. Population is irrelvant to that.
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Yup simple minded...
Say the person who think China is a communist country.
Do you blame walmart and other minimum wage employers for the recession?
Not just Walmart, I was just using them for argument sake because they do offer minimum wage jobs. Now under the 20.7 million mark for CEO pay, it is about 1960 times the amount of someone who makes minimum wage and works part-time on the average of 28 hours a week. Let me repeat that number, 1960 times the income of a minimum wage part-time employee.
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Thanks. My post is directed to yellow jacket. I somehow do not want to quote the words. I am not good at using my iPad to type.
No problem, here's the quote.
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Corporations are big crybabies. You raise the minimum wage? They whine and cut people because they lose profits and even more people get on government assistance. Then the companies leave the US in a huff and take away more jobs.
You add a maximum wage? You can't find the best people and companies will still leave the US taking away jobs and putting more people on welfare.
The infinite greed of American corporations mean the US is royally screwed. There isn't any wiggle room.
and then, your response.
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When all American companies are swallowed by foreign companies, do you think the foreign companies or bosses are going to treat American labors with extra mercy? Do you think they will care about your American dream? Do you think they are going to be less greedy and they are going to leave you a big pie? If the answer is no, why you even start the war against nature?
I honestly don't know if foreign companies would leave the US. For instance, InBev bought out Busch, they kept all of the US breweries and most of the US jobs. No idea how many jobs were cut and/or the wage slashes (if that happened.)
Not just Walmart, I was just using them for argument sake because they do offer minimum wage jobs. Now under the 20.7 million mark for CEO pay, it is about 1960 times the amount of someone who makes minimum wage and works part-time on the average of 28 hours a week. Let me repeat that number, 1960 times the income of a minimum wage part-time employee.
This gets better and better. So now you want to compare what a CEO makes to a part time worker.
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