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View Poll Results: Can companies like Walmart pay EVERY full time employee enough to live off of without government aid
Yes 73 54.48%
No 50 37.31%
Maybe, please explain 11 8.21%
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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OP has yet to discuss this. They haven't even said what a livable wage was. I guess it would depend on the zipcode to adjust for cost of living.

15k is easily a livable wage in rural MS for 1 person. You'd probably need 30k to survive in LA or NYC.
HUBZONE is bad enough, I would hate a wage system based on zip codes.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The government sets the standards for obtaining aid, not Walmart; it is not Walmart's fault the government set the standards they do. it is also not Walmart's fault some people cannot seem to understand what "live within your means" means. If some single woman workign at Walmart goes and pumps out two kids and gets on food stamps, how is that Walmart's fault?

By the way, a number please, you have not yet stated a number.
Bingo. People need to stop putting their lifestyle choices ahead of their obtaining education and training commensurate to sustain that lifestyle.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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Walmart makes roughly $215,000/employee/year. Multiple members of the top management staff make (CASH) more than 1 million dollars a year. If it continues to pay top management at current rates with excessive "packages" then it would be difficult. The question is it possible to pay every worker at the least a liveable wage?
I will say this in big words:

IT IS THEIR JOB TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY FOR THEIR STAKEHOLDERS AS POSSIBLE, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THE BUSINESS EXISTS.

What in the world do you, and everyone who thinks like you, not understand about this statement?
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Here in the Province of Ontario, in Canada, the minimum wage, for everyone, is $10.50 an hour, and that is what Walmart and McDonalds pay , as a starting hourly rate.

Everyone here in Ontario, who is either a Canadian citizen, or a legal Immigrant, is 100 percent covered by the Ontario Hospital Insurance Plan, or OHIP. No one is excluded. WE ALL pay for it, through our income taxes and sales taxes. IT IS NOT FREE.

It is Universal, and that means NO ONE is ever `cut off `denied care `or refused treatment `. It also means that no one here is being forced into bankruptcy, due to medical bills, nor are they being forced to beg for money from the public, to pay for a kidney transplant for their 10 year old kid. Ever see that in your part of the USA, sure you do.

So, YES, Walmart and McDonalds CAN pay reasonable wages, AND contribute their employer`s share to the OHIP universal health care program, AND still be price competitive, with other retail stores, in their industry.

If it can be done here, in Canada, why can`t it work in the USA. Are we Canadians that much smarter than Americans are......... You tell me.


Jim b

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Old 11-22-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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Here in the Province of Ontario, in Canada, the minimum wage, for everyone, is $10.50 an hour, and that is what Walmart and McDonalds pay , as a starting hourly rate.

Everyone here in Ontario, who is either a Canadian citizen, or a legal Immigrant, is 100 percent covered by the Ontario Hospital Insurance Plan, or OHIP. No one is excluded. WE ALL pay for it, through our income taxes and sales taxes. IT IS NOT FREE.

It is Universal, and that means NO ONE is ever `cut off `denied care `or refused treatment `. It also means that no one here is being forced into bankruptcy, due to medical bills, nor are they being forced to beg for money from the public, to pay for a kidney transplant for their 10 year old kid. Ever see that in your part of the USA, sure you do.

So, YES, Walmart and McDonalds CAN pay reasonable wages, AND contribute their employer`s share to the OHIP universal health care program, AND still be price competitive, with other retail stores, in their industry.

If it can be done here, in Canada, why can`t it work in the USA. Are we Canadians that much smarter than Americans are......... You tell me.


Jim b

Toronto.
I've seen Canadian paystubs. If you have a 50+% tax rate of course Universal Healthcare can be done. Also as has been mentioned the average Walmart employee in the US make 11.75 an hour. There are probably very few that make under 9 dollars an hour and most parts of Ontario Canada where Walmarts are located have a much higher COL than rural America where the majority of WMTs are located.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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A wage should be based upon a persons ability and productivity along with some smarts between the ears.

I have been to a McDonalds where the girl took a order....rang it up...gave change w/o counting it out...turned to place items in a bag....stood waiting for the burgers etc to be cooked all the while I and others were in line to give our order. She did not have the mental capacity other then a one track mind or the ability to do more then one thing at a time. Was she worth more then Min wage?....as a former employer not in my book.

Last edited by Steve Bagu; 11-22-2013 at 03:39 PM.. Reason: add info
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Minimum wage in my state is $7.25/hr. That is easily enough for a full time worker to not require help from the government. Why should someone have to only work one job?

We are still waiting for a tangible number from you on what your livable wage is.
This is hard to answer because each state has different wages to qualify for aid. Food stamps require an income of less than 130% of the federal proverty line ( A Quick Guide to SNAP Eligibility and Benefits — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities). Let's aim for 150%-200% to be the 'liveable' wage for a family of 2 (Federal Poverty Guidelines). So we would be looking at roughly $12-15/ hour.

*$12/hour is still very challenging to live off of.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I've seen Canadian paystubs. If you have a 50+% tax rate of course Universal Healthcare can be done. Also as has been mentioned the average Walmart employee in the US make 11.75 an hour. There are probably very few that make under 9 dollars an hour and most parts of Ontario Canada where Walmarts are located have a much higher COL than rural America where the majority of WMTs are located.
I doubt a person making minimum wage pays 50% tax.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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A wage should be based upon a persons ability and productivity along with some smarts between the ears.
and the prerequisites of the position, plus the responsibilities.
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Old 11-22-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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A wage should be based upon a persons ability and productivity along with some smarts between the ears.
I completely agree that certain professions require this, but we are talking about time biased positions. Walmart, the employees I see are typically doing something. But, outside of the rushes, I often seem McDonalds workers standing around. Ditto for retail stores.

Going with your methods, CEOs wouldn't make dog crap (which would be wonderful ) and engineers would run the world. Plenty of people would got starving tho.
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