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Old 12-01-2013, 11:34 PM
 
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This is getting crazy. Internships were the new "foot in the door" to companies, I thought. Now they're only taking people who already have experience in the form of an internship.
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:12 AM
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Location: Georgia
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There's a real question about the legitimacy of the manner in which employers view internships these days, i.e., as free or cheap labor rather than as an opportunity to train entry-level professionals with the payoff being that once trained they'll be more inclined toward taking a real job with your company. I think the rapacious imbalance in the labor marketplace promulgated by the policies of the last 35 years has baked into the system a lot of innate inclination toward exploitation.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:29 AM
 
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not really ridiculous, I see these postings often, or if they don't require previous experience, it is "strongly preferred", it is the same logic with "entry level" work requiring 2-3 years experience doing X. I don't agree with what is going on, and yes internships should be the "foot in the door" in much the same manner as "entry level" positions but this is for the most part the way things are.

Here is what I would do in your situation:

1) Apply for the internship anyway, worse they can do is say no

2) Apply to an internship that does not require previous experience or a specific degree-often these are the unpaid internships, but experience is still experience, it is better than nothing.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Employers dont want to train AT ALL. When I graduated I had the hardest time finding an accounting job because I worked to pay my way through college. Therefore I couldnt take the "Oh so prestigious" unpaid accounting internship. I had friend that DID do the internship and all they did was fax, scan, and fetch coffee.

Instead of looking for the RIGHT applicant they simply grab the person with the most degrees, most achievements, most experience...but still pay them entry level. The job markets fudged thats for sure.
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: USA
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Employers dont want to train AT ALL. When I graduated I had the hardest time finding an accounting job because I worked to pay my way through college. Therefore I couldnt take the "Oh so prestigious" unpaid accounting internship. I had friend that DID do the internship and all they did was fax, scan, and fetch coffee.

Instead of looking for the RIGHT applicant they simply grab the person with the most degrees, most achievements, most experience...but still pay them entry level. The job markets fudged thats for sure.
This is just another example of passing the costs for a functioning society on to "somebody else"

1) Training takes time and money - let "somebody else" do it, and then only hire experienced people.

2) Pay your workers badly, but assume that "somebody else" will pay them well enough to afford the products and services you provide.

3) Complain loud and long about paying any taxes at all, but assume "somebody else" will pay up so you can still have roads to drive on, police, fire departments, etc.

It's an idiotic joke since even a child could figure out this won't work in the long run once we run out of "somebody else" to pay the bill... but hey - so long as somebody makes money now, who cares?

The ultimate irony is that the strongest supporters of passing the costs on to "somebody else" are also the ones who rant the loudest against "socialism" and "communism." It's funny since they hate the concept of people all chipping in, but they sure do love the concept of passing costs along to "somebody else!"
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Strange! I have been an intern some 12 years ago and I have had interns work for me recently but there was never coffee, scan or fax involved in either cases. I guess it depends on the place and potential of the intern?

Hiring an intern is similar to hiring an employee. The employer is doing no body a favor; an internship program is not meant to teach "how to do your job". It is about hiring smart candidates to whom you want to advertise your organization as a potential employer.

I currently work for Fortune 50 company that takes great pains to find the best possible interns because they end up giving offer to majority of them, provided they receive positive feedback from their manager and co-workers. They are treated like any other employee and are allowed to participate in all meetings, on-site training programs and networking events. They are given access to senior managers and most get invited for coffee or lunch. And having worked at a few Fortune 50 companies in past 10 years, I believe this is the culture I have seen at most places. Interns are treated fairly, paid reasonable, and are given an opportunity to prove their potential. It is up to the intern to either waste their 8-10 weeks or work hard and prove themselves. If they think they are not given the work they deserve, I bet their management will be glad to hear "I want to do more of xyz, can you give me an opportunity to work on it?".
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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IRS and Labor Department law prevents unpaid interns from doing actual work, they can only train. Our internships are all paid, and it is likely to have interns with internship experience, because we have high school, undergraduate and graduate interns. Even when hiring them we would prefer experience, but if none of the candidates have it will take someone without. Most of the time they have worked part-time while in school, and often in their area of study.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:24 AM
 
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I seen that with a trade apprenticeship for a plumber. They were asking for someone with 3 years of plumbing experience.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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IRS and Labor Department law prevents unpaid interns from doing actual work, they can only train.
The fine line between "actual job" and "train" is not just very thin, it hardly exist.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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It won't be long before anyone whose parents can't afford to put them in college will have no choice but to be homeless, try to claim disability, turn to crime, or become prostitutes.
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