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If the OP is only concerned about why people with zero experience would apply for mid-level positions, that's a whole different matter.
The way I understood it was that the OP had a complaint against people who apply for any type of job (entry-level, mid-level, senior-level) where they don't have the exact set of skills/experience that they are looking for and thus refuse to hire anyone. I thought the example provided was just a scenario to make the OP more understandable.
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Originally Posted by Red3311
Part of my job is to review resumes and give reccomendations to my manager to contact for possible interview opportunities. This is in the finance industry doing mostly back office financial analysis. Usually for every job posting we receive anywhere between 200 to over 400 applicants. As I start to sift through all these applicants to determine who would be a proper fit for the position, I notice that a good majority of these applicants have no experience in this field and come from backgrounds with degrees in music, art history, even some biology degrees etc.
I do understand why some of the applicants feel compelled to apply for any job just to see if they can get an income, but what makes you think with your Bachelors in Art History and no previous finance work that you are qualified to write complex financial analysis reports and present them to Senior Managers? I certainly wouldn't apply to work in a laboratory as a chemist, it would just be a waste of not only my time but whoever reviews these resumes. I can understand how some HR reps can get overwhelmed especially dealing with a 'desperate' job seeker that will call multiple times to check the status of their application.
I guess I pose this question out of curiosity as to why one not even remotely qualified for the position would even bother wasting their time.
FYI: What I AM NOT SAYING is that someone with a History backgorund could not do my job, we have plenty of people with degrees in other fields that come here, but they get the proper experience and training first at other positions. Insights always appreciated.
In other words, she's saying she has received hundreds of applications for jobs, such as those that supplies complex financial analysis reports for senior managers, from people who do not have a degree relevant to the financial industry and have absolutely zero experience in the financial industry.
She is further saying that people who don't have a degree relating to the financial industry could do the job, but only if they had worked themselves up from lower positions (aka, entry level jobs).
In other words, she's saying she has received hundreds of applications for jobs, such as those that supplies complex financial analysis reports for senior managers, from people who do not have a degree relevant to the financial industry and have absolutely zero experience in the financial industry.
She is further saying that people who don't have a degree relating to the financial industry could do the job, but only if they had worked themselves up from lower positions (aka, entry level jobs).
Cut him some slack alot of the folks on CD are so jaded/damaged goods already. I'll be surprised if I can actually reach anyone here
Cut him some slack alot of the folks on CD are so jaded/damaged goods already. I'll be surprised if I can actually reach anyone here
A lot of us have had terrible experiences working in Corporate America. If that's what you mean by jaded, then sure. I was miserable for two years straight as I worked at a company where nothing was ever good enough, you were constantly nitpicked and micromanaged by incompetent superiors, you were chewed out by sales people, you walked on egg shells every day not know if that was to be your last day.
Just as I'm sure that those who are overly optimistic have had fairly easy go at it thus far in life.
A lot of us have had terrible experiences working in Corporate America. If that's what you mean by jaded, then sure. Just as I'm sure that those who are overly optimistic have had fairly easy go at it thus far in life.
That doesn't mean you can't learn from YOUR own mistakes or have come to realize where you misunderstood the situation. Youre in a different stage now, being more marketable with your experience. But dont you see that you would end up with a dud if your first company trained 3000 people.
Being rare is good in the game of supply and demand. My only advantage was I knew that before I went to college
That doesn't mean you can't learn from YOUR own mistakes or have come to realize where you misunderstood the situation. Youre in a different stage now, being more marketable with your experience. But dont you see that you would end up with a dud if your first company trained 3000 people.
Being rare is good in the game of supply and demand. My only advantage was I knew that before I went to college
I understand all that. But I look at things from a macro perspective. I realize many Americans have the "me first, I got mine" mentality. As much as it is an advantage to have a skills/experience edge on others, it's far more advantageous for the country as a whole to be doing well. From a macro perspective, you want the economy to be fruitful with jobs, because you never know when you might lose yours. Haven't you ever read the poem, First They Came...? It goes like this:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
If you can understand the underlying meaning of this poem, perhaps there is still hope for you.
If every company has the attitude yours does, how will anyone ever be trained for anything if each employer demands training from prior, similar positions? Your qualified candidate pool are those already employed and no one else.
In theory, all qualified applicants could already be employed, or eventually retire or even die off. At some point, this lack of willingness to train could result in few to no people who know how to do the work. Because every firm is out for its own benefit, the reality could end up being that all firms are hurt because no one is stepping up to train new personnel.
Internships, jr positions, entry level positions, role switching, etc. There are many ways to get experience.
Internships, jr positions, entry level positions, role switching, etc. There are many ways to get experience.
It's been about five years since I started working post college, so I'm a bit out of the loop. I've heard that many of these types of positions are drying up. Is there any truth to the notion that entry-level jobs are becoming non-existent for the most part?
Regardless of what people think of themselves, anyone can be replaced easily.
People apply for jobs because they think they can do them. An employer might disagree, but anyone applying for a specific job usually thinks it is not beyond their skill set. In short, there are legions of people out there that can do your/my job in real life, even if it doesn't appear so on a generic internet job app or resume submission.
Anecdotally, I have always overreached and its paid off throughout my 35 year career. I would encourage any young job seeker to do the same. Jobs rarely turn out to be what they are in the description, anyway.
I just got hired today at a position I applied for even though I didn't have any of the experience that the application noted was "required", so there's that...
Regardless of what people think of themselves, anyone can be replaced easily. People apply for jobs because they think they can do them. An employer might disagree, but anyone applying for a specific job usually thinks it is not beyond their skill set. In short, there are legions of people out there that can do your/my job in real life, even if it doesn't appear so on a generic internet job app or resume submission.
Anecdotally, I have always overreached and its paid off throughout my 35 year career. I would encourage any young job seeker to do the same. Jobs rarely turn out to be what they are in the description, anyway.
True, and sometimes the person is just delusional. I know someone who has applied to as many agriculture jobs as she can find. She has zero agricultural experience and her degree (she graduated last May) is in Fine Arts. She can't comprehend that she just won't get hired, because in her mind, she believes she could do the job, so why wouldn't someone hire her. But she's going up against people who are agricultural students, have agricultural degrees, or who grew up in more rural areas and had previous agricultural jobs (she grew up in a large urban city). Yet she thinks animals are cute, so you know, in her mind, that qualifies her.
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alot of the folks on CD are so jaded/damaged goods already. I'll be surprised if I can actually reach anyone here
