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Old 03-10-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: MN
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Sure - we all keep records, etc. as a CYA. But to what extent? My point is that if you're starting to hoard stuff and worried that you can't keep it at work - then perhaps you should've already left.
That's easy to say if you can get another job lined up soon after you realize this. A lot of people still relatively new in the workplace just can't quit a job after being there for only a year or so and it it means you need to start hoarding documentation for another 6 months to a year for job retention, that's what you need to do. Even with management changes at work, this is what you might need to do because on-boarding doesn't always go smoothly and the people there are often held accountable for mistakes.

Besides, the focus of my asking this isn't about whether or not you should leave. I'm asking how to go about this in light of confidentiality and protecting one's job.
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The DMV
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That's easy to say if you can get another job lined up soon after you realize this. A lot of people still relatively new in the workplace just can't quit a job after being there for only a year or so and it it means you need to start hoarding documentation for another 6 months to a year for job retention, that's what you need to do. Even with management changes at work, this is what you might need to do because on-boarding doesn't always go smoothly and the people there are often held accountable for mistakes.

Besides, the focus of my asking this isn't about whether or not you should leave. I'm asking how to go about this in light of confidentiality and protecting one's job.
To which I already expressed an opinion earlier - disclosing information to 'authorized' parties isn't a breach of confidentiality. Thus, I doubt collecting and presenting information that involved or were sent to you (that isn't otherwise "Privileged") internally would be a breach. So you would just keep stuff as you see fit (emails,memo's etc.).

That said, if I managed to end up working for a bunch of clowns who put a target on my back - whatever I show is going to be pretty pointless. Regardless of what I have, at some point, it's simply going to be "Look, you just don't seem to fit".
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: MN
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That said, if I managed to end up working for a bunch of clowns who put a target on my back - whatever I show is going to be pretty pointless. Regardless of what I have, at some point, it's simply going to be "Look, you just don't seem to fit".
Sure, you can still get fired but if you want to receive unemployment benefits, having evidence is going to the best thing to do. Companies are known for firing people in a certain way so they lose their benefits, even if they appeal.
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I don't. I maintain great relationships with the C level execs and make myself invaluable. For 20 years it has worked well in every field I've worked in.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: MN
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I don't. I maintain great relationships with the C level execs and make myself invaluable. For 20 years it has worked well in every field I've worked in.
That works if "you're a good fit." At a former employer, I did my work, received a positive review, and positive feedback from clients and outside agencies yet my supervisor didn't like me due to personality.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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I don't. I maintain great relationships with the C level execs and make myself invaluable. For 20 years it has worked well in every field I've worked in.
Congratulations on your perfect employer and life!
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: NYC
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That works if "you're a good fit." At a former employer, I did my work, received a positive review, and positive feedback from clients and outside agencies yet my supervisor didn't like me due to personality.
Which confirms that good work is rarely appreciated. Obedience and personality is much more valued. It didn't matter some people showed up 1-2 hours late at work as long as their boss is ok with it. Corporate America is just another welfare system for those that are wired to the higher ups. The more powerful friends you know the less work you have to do.
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:26 PM
 
Location: MN
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Which confirms that good work is rarely appreciated. Obedience and personality is much more valued. It didn't matter some people showed up 1-2 hours late at work as long as their boss is ok with it. Corporate America is just another welfare system for those that are wired to the higher ups. The more powerful friends you know the less work you have to do.
Even more of a reason to have evidence. If supervisors are going to go back and try to say how you didn't do something right or well and you followed their directive, having things in writing is invaluable.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: oHIo
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What happens when HR continues to rely on an ambiguous definition of "confidentiality"? At a former employer a friend of mine had some issues with a supervisor and didn't know how to handle it. She asked me for advice and I told her to go to HR and she did. She was also quite young at the time and didn't always know what the best course of action was.

Whens she went to HR, her supervisor asked her why she was making the report and my friend briefly mentioned how she had talked to me and I suggested she go to HR. Then she was written up for "violating confidentiality" because when an incident occurs, only the people involved are supposed to know about it (in spite of EVERYONE knowing what the issue was). How do you combat vague HR interpretations?
HR is not in place to help or protect the employee's rights.

HR is in place to protect the company from the employees.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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HR is not in place to help or protect the employee's rights.

HR is in place to protect the company from the employees.
^ Probably one of the best statements yet. Never assume HR has your back. YOU have to have your back no matter what your occupation. For years I've always kept my job searches active, just out of curiosity while happily employed but IF something were to happen tomorrow then I have a contingency of available positions to fall back on.
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