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Old 04-12-2014, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I was under the impression that a dwindling population was Japan's problem, and that we're reproducing at replacement rate.
We are only gaining population thanks to immigration, both legal and otherwise. Take that away and we would be in a similar position as Japan.

Talk to middle class Americans today about the expenses involved with rearing children. It's not hard to see why many are forgoing. Ironically, many illegals are coming here to rear their children, largely thanks to our extensive handout society, paid for by those who figure they can't afford things like child rearing. Sad...

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I agree we are leading the way, and that is commendable. Improved efficiency rocks, as it leads to more profitable corps and sustainable employment bases.

Sustainable employment base? Talk to any major corp, and the only answer is less and less, when it comes to desired headcount. It's like one of my uncles was saying about his time at General Motors. Every year, management came to them with the same goal... Increase productivity (and reduce the need for workers) by 5%. Well, if you do that every single year, wouldn't you have almost no workers by a certain point and time?

Gee, I wish my job was to simply dictate directives like "work faster" and "do more with less". That's usually the guy getting the bonus at the end of the year too...

Maybe companies will wake up... With fewer employees doing the work, companies don't need to employ as many managers. I recall reading that many companies are in the process of trimming the fat in management. When corps pressed the issue of operating leaner, it seems that many of the management staff did not volunteer their jobs for the chopping block. Well, when investors start demanding better returns, we'll all know where to look

But yes, improved efficiency rocks. That's what has always kept me employed.
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:33 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Maybe companies will wake up... With fewer employees doing the work, companies don't need to employ as many managers. I recall reading that many companies are in the process of trimming the fat in management.

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Corps cut where possible in both blue and white collar professions. The latest round of UTC cuts in Ct are white collar, mostly middle management positions.
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Corps cut where possible in both blue and white collar professions. The latest round of UTC cuts in Ct are white collar, mostly middle management positions.
Because they've already cut more blue collar workers than necessary. Heck, they can't even find any to replace the ones that are going to retire, LOL! After all, you've taught the younger generation that a work ethic isn't worth squat, and getting you're hands dirty is a sin...
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Because they've already cut more blue collar workers than necessary. Heck, they can't even find any to replace the ones that are going to retire, LOL! After all, you've taught the younger generation that a work ethic isn't worth squat, and getting you're hands dirty is a sin...
They have right-sized, and most of the excess has been trimmed, but no doubt we'll all continue to get more efficient every single year.
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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They have right-sized, and most of the excess has been trimmed, but no doubt we'll all continue to get more efficient every single year.
Keep up the good work. What ever you've been doing has been working out spectacular for me. Finding a job has never been easier

And hey, my 401K and investment account has never looked better
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And hey, my 401K and investment account has never looked better
With corp earnings rocking, it is hard not to be doing great in a 401K.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: S. Nevada
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Prostitution. I doubt most men will ever want to have sex with a machine.
I'm annoyed you beat me with this reply (even though it fails the immigrant restriction) so I am going to post this confusing link.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: USA
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They have right-sized, and most of the excess has been trimmed, but no doubt we'll all continue to get more efficient every single year.
And once we've "right-sized" our way to far too few jobs, what then?

It's hard to be "efficient" when nobody can afford your product any longer and the nation can't even afford to buy it thanks to a dwindling tax base.

Only in America do people take pride in job loss and simply assume that everyone else who's out of work is "excess population" that was making the workplace "less efficient."

Any idiot can make corporate earnings look good in the short term by gutting the work force, getting laws changed to reduce tax payouts, and otherwise destroying the future for the benefit of this quarter. Too bad such half-baked leadership now counts as "brilliant management" and is "worth" millions per year.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: USA
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We are only gaining population thanks to immigration, both legal and otherwise. Take that away and we would be in a similar position as Japan.

Talk to middle class Americans today about the expenses involved with rearing children. It's not hard to see why many are forgoing. Ironically, many illegals are coming here to rear their children, largely thanks to our extensive handout society, paid for by those who figure they can't afford things like child rearing. Sad...

Sustainable employment base? Talk to any major corp, and the only answer is less and less, when it comes to desired headcount. It's like one of my uncles was saying about his time at General Motors. Every year, management came to them with the same goal... Increase productivity (and reduce the need for workers) by 5%. Well, if you do that every single year, wouldn't you have almost no workers by a certain point and time?

Gee, I wish my job was to simply dictate directives like "work faster" and "do more with less". That's usually the guy getting the bonus at the end of the year too...

Maybe companies will wake up... With fewer employees doing the work, companies don't need to employ as many managers. I recall reading that many companies are in the process of trimming the fat in management. When corps pressed the issue of operating leaner, it seems that many of the management staff did not volunteer their jobs for the chopping block. Well, when investors start demanding better returns, we'll all know where to look

But yes, improved efficiency rocks. That's what has always kept me employed.
Yep - fewer and fewer employees is the goal. I have no idea how they intend to sell products produced by few people and/or machines to other people who no longer have jobs or income, but it looks like a long, slow grind into an economic wasteland for this nation. Even Henry Ford, as much as he hated labor, understood that if the workers are all dirt poor and/or out of work, you won't have any one to sell your product to... these days, he'd be considered a "socialist" since he employed people and didn't pay them pennies on the dollar?!

But, hey - as long as we have overpaid idiots spouting off "work smarter, not harder!" and laying off workers at the drop of a hat, I'm sure everything will look great on the company balance sheets this quarter... Ugh.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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Cutting back the workweek (and closing the current exploitative loopholes) would ameliorate the problem immensely.
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