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Old 05-12-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I don't think anyone is doubting that the kiosks are likely more efficient economically. Still, there comes a point where jobs need to be maintained simply to keep people busy, even if it is less efficient.
No there is never a point like that. We need to become a more business friendly nation, where businesses en masse, can grow and prosper.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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I don't think anyone is doubting that the kiosks are likely more efficient economically. Still, there comes a point where jobs need to be maintained simply to keep people busy, even if it is less efficient.
I agree, but tell that to the multi billion dollar CEO who's job it is to generate more profit each year.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I agree, but tell that to the multi billion dollar CEO who's job it is to generate more profit each year.
He should be fired if he avoids automation which , when used, adds to shareholder value.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:53 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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He should be fired if he avoids automation which , when used, adds to shareholder value.

Funny, but good management and leadership isn't going to be replaced in the workplace. It gets more valuable every year.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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If I have to order from a kiosk rather than a human, I'll take my business elsewhere. I refuse to use self checkout systems as well. It's the principle of it. I refuse to go to a grocery store, get my own cart, find my own groceries, check them out myself, bag them myself, take them out to my car myself, and put my cart up so I can save a business money on labor costs and make them a profit on top of that. I like Panera, but if I can't order from a human being, our longstanding happy relationship will be a thing of the past.

I could have said the same thing, nearly word for word. I'm with you 100 percent.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't think anyone is doubting that the kiosks are likely more efficient economically. Still, there comes a point where jobs need to be maintained simply to keep people busy, even if it is less efficient.
Thus us my fear with these ideas of moving to kiosks and robots replacing jobs.

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No there is never a point like that. We need to become a more business friendly nation, where businesses en masse, can grow and prosper.
It is all about how far the rabbit hole goes. If these jobs do effect the bottom line because they don't get revenue off of them it well.
When you say more business friendly what do you mean? What laws do you want to see removed. Like I've said before too you, show work.

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I agree, but tell that to the multi billion dollar CEO who's job it is to generate more profit each year.
They may not if they actually cut the jobs and those people are effectively cut out if the economy. What we'll happen, the rich well go more often to a Wal-Mart or McDonald's?
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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It is all about how far the rabbit hole goes. If these jobs do effect the bottom line because they don't get revenue off of them it well.
When you say more business friendly what do you mean? What laws do you want to see removed. Like I've said before too you, show work.
Business growing and prospering doesn't mean jobs are created or the working class prospers. I'm tired of people assuming that they are the same thing. What's good for business is not necessarily what's good for the nation's citizens - after all, for business, it would be great if nobody had a job since that cuts down on expenses... but obviously that doesn't work for the nation as a whole.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Funny, but good management and leadership isn't going to be replaced in the workplace. It gets more valuable every year.
Feather-bedding is not good management. Maximizing efficiency is.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Business growing and prospering doesn't mean jobs are created or the working class prospers. I'm tired of people assuming that they are the same thing. What's good for business is not necessarily what's good for the nation's citizens - after all, for business, it would be great if nobody had a job since that cuts down on expenses... but obviously that doesn't work for the nation as a whole.
Then who does the work fir the business, machines? Who will pay for the product and service if commands have no employees? That is a game theory decision board I don't want to play on. The fact is businesses need people to work for them to keep customers because people working for other businesses. If no businesses has jobs, no one can buy anything.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:03 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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Isn't the fed pumping up the stock market anyways? Why would someone buy stock in a company that keeps cutting out and shrinking it's work force.
Costco Stock is at $116 a share and they are not cutting cost!
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