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Old 06-04-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Aside from the Authority factor that I mentioned earlier, I also think there is another principle reason: The longer someone hands around in management ranks the harder it is to get rid of them because they know too much. They probably know enough on every other manager to form a circular firing squad. So the first time a senior manager lets some jerk get away with some kind of corruption or sociopathic conduct, it's like making a a deal with the devil -as they say.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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bek any manager worth his salt can figure out a way to pass the buck to the employee and have him fired reassigned or forced to quit.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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Still. I don't know why the "powers that be" want to endorse an environment like that
Because in some instances, the powers that be got where they are through politics/nepotism/cronyism etc etc. If their rise to the top wasn't based on the merit of their work but due to the above forces, then they'll only facilitate an environment where all the managers underneath them are promoted in much the same way they were. And in some cases I doubt its intentional, they really probably don't know much better. The system perpetuates itself over and over. I've worked in too many places where the quiet,efficient,mr/mrs reliable is bypassed over by the connected idiot who's late every day, takes extended lunches, and sick every monday, gets to the top and makes everyone else's life living hell.
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Old 06-05-2014, 04:10 AM
 
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Upper management probably just like her. Your funny televising the takedown of the bi-polar manager as she is foaming out of the month and holding on her desk screaming she was framed by a lowly worker.

It could be the next reality show couldn't it? The scene starts with her kissing her children goodbye for the day as they happily trot off to school. All is well. Then, we see her behavior start to escalate at the office elevator, something is said, we don't know what, but we do get to see "glimpses" of her behavior. And, she has a nervous tic in her eye, I wonder why!! Next scene she is muttering some expletives under her breath, next scene the co-workers are responding by vacating the office, next scene, we see the ACTT team (mobile psychiatric unit) come visiting...I do wonder what's next.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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This thread is very amusing.
How about this story. I worked nights at a company where a lot of the machinery needed constant maintenance. Thus, we had a fully staffed maintenance shop. One of the guys was from down South and had a jocular habit of teasing his coworkers with a homophobic insult as a greeting. Well, one day he greeted another guy in the shop in this manner, and apparently caught the guy on the wrong day in the wrong mood with his needling humor. He was grabbed by the throat and slammed with great force into the wall and that ended his jocular days and of course, the employment of his long-suffering short-tempered coworker.
It was funny to see him moping around like a kicked dog for the next week or so.
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:51 PM
 
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My previous Manager was a bully and he lasted 6 years. He has a PhD but I think his IQ is under 100. Seriously, after he received his BS, he took 10 years to complete his PhD. His adviser probably wanted to get rid of him. He is so incompetent at his job it is almost funny. When I and a Salesman visited a customer and our Salesman casually mentioned that my boss was a former employee here, the entire room full of Engineers erupted in laughter. It was so embarrassing. Apparently he was forced out of this company for incompetency. One the words got out, our CEO finally fired him.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:27 AM
 
Location: NJ
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3. The manager of said manager will have to admit they made a huge mistake in promoting said manager to the position, which also makes the manager of said manager look bad to their own manager.

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Old 06-08-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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MattNguyen, you may be aware of this but maybe can't articulate the disparity. So I'll tell you.
There can be a HUGE gap between intellect and know-how. The vice versa is also true.
I truly believe this is the basis for a lot of problems in the world.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Politics man.... I'm a manager at an IT company, and 99% of my day is dedicated to politics. I don't actually do any type of work work.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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Another thing is in Corporate Jobs is, its ok for non specialist in your field to manage people, or be managed by people with less experience than you. As long as you can talk about an area and seem reasonably competent that is enough but try discussing specifics.

The other thing is that knowledge is so specific to a particular, project, client thats its almost impossible to get your head around all the issues unless you have been specifically working on that - That knowledge needs recorded, handed over - Managers swap out people, hand stuff over to new people without proper knowledge transfer etc, this is how the dysfunction builds up - constant turnover of staff with little or no guidance, hand overs and a Manager who does not actually know what is going on - Managers view it like their swapping out one Labourer for another Labourer.

They sort of disrespect and trivialize other people's knowledge and skills, the view skills as something which can be bought in, are not really that important and only want be friends with other managers, plus most of them are a bunch of self-congratulatory back-slapping dullards with a high opinion of themselves while all around them is in chaos.

This is the problem I have with my current with my employer now. The people that actually did my job (in the last 2 decades) and were promoted to managers, either were laid off or got pissed off and left.

So, they put us under another set of managers in a department that is "related."

The issue is when your boss tries to give you "feedback" on "issues" it can sometimes be bunk because they don't have an understanding of the day to day. For example, my boss tried to claim I screwed up a job because someone came back and wanted me to change some labels. The labels were not wrong, nor did the person tell me exactly what they wanted up front. They were just preference of the person/client. Other people/clients wouldn't care about the labels I provided. In other words, it's preference.

Of course senior management is ok with not sending our managers through more rigorous training on what we do, or have more than a cursory knowledge of what we do.
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