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Can you cite examples of the problems you have hade with financially irresponsible people. I would like to hear some examples the problem that you have dealt with due to these circumstances so I can better understand you concerns.
As I stated there is nothing wrong with the background check process, only the conclusions hiring managers jump to. As I stated earlier, I wish background checks would expand to in-depth psychological tests and assessments of people being considered for roles in charge of people to ensure someone with severe mental disorders are not put of charge of other employees. I think that alone would save companies of lot of money in productivity,lawsuits.severence packages and un employment insurance.
I'll bite.
I hired a guy two years ago that was down on his luck. No job, getting evicted, and recently bankrupt. He assured me that he was a hard worker going through tough times, and he passed the written machinist test with decent scores.
For the first 90 days he was a go getter. Hard working and dependable. Around 100 days he was the polar opposite. He laid out consistently, never met the labor standards, complained non-stop, had arguments with his ex-gf in the company parking lot and ultimately stole about $800 in power equipment from us. Not to mention tools he stole from other machinist's toolboxes. It took quite a lot of work to locate it and get it back and even more work to terminate him. (We terminated before we knew the equipment went missing)
Another manager in our company hired a guy for his team with similar sob stories. He was caught loading over 650 lbs of scrap aluminum sheeting in the trunk of his car on the night shift one night to go sell. We also found over $300 of carbide bits in his toolbox that belonged to the company, which he told another co-worker he intended to sell for scrap.
It's not the managers. These checks are in place for a reason. Quite frankly if you've never had to deal with it you lack the grounds to complain against it.
I hired a guy two years ago that was down on his luck. No job, getting evicted, and recently bankrupt. He assured me that he was a hard worker going through tough times, and he passed the written machinist test with decent scores.
For the first 90 days he was a go getter. Hard working and dependable. Around 100 days he was the polar opposite. He laid out consistently, never met the labor standards, complained non-stop, had arguments with his ex-gf in the company parking lot and ultimately stole about $800 in power equipment from us. Not to mention tools he stole from other machinist's toolboxes. It took quite a lot of work to locate it and get it back and even more work to terminate him. (We terminated before we knew the equipment went missing)
Another manager in our company hired a guy for his team with similar sob stories. He was caught loading over 650 lbs of scrap aluminum sheeting in the trunk of his car on the night shift one night to go sell. We also found over $300 of carbide bits in his toolbox that belonged to the company, which he told another co-worker he intended to sell for scrap.
It's not the managers. These checks are in place for a reason. Quite frankly if you've never had to deal with it you lack the grounds to complain against it.
Thank you for providing me with some background and what you have gone through. Given the set of circumstances you presented, I can certainly understand why you would be hesitant. I would think that would be an extreme case. I would think the getting evicted, bankruptcy combined would be a red flag.
How was it that the working world functioned perfectly fine before credit checks and criminal background checks existed? Seems like companies were always able to find productive employees throughout the first couple hundred years of the United States. What I don't believe in is creating a class of permanently unemployed, permanently indebted people. Many in the United States seem to like the idea of relegating people to a class of leeches or criminals. That's why anyone who commits a felony (and gets caught) is a "felon" for life. It's a perverse wordview.
How was it that the working world functioned perfectly fine before credit checks and criminal background checks existed? Seems like companies were always able to find productive employees throughout the first couple hundred years of the United States. What I don't believe in is creating a class of permanently unemployed, permanently indebted people. Many in the United States seem to like the idea of relegating people to a class of leeches or criminals. That's why anyone who commits a felony (and gets caught) is a "felon" for life. It's a perverse wordview.
That is because we have a new epidemic of the "corporate sociopath"who has a feeling of grandiose beliefs about themselves and who would rather keep the place understaffed under the guise of they cannot find qualified applicants so they can be the hero. That is why I think implementing psychological tests and assessments would end a lot of problems going on today by eliminating the corporate sociopath from the environment.
Not all places do credit checks and it is illegal in a lot of states.
Can you cite examples of the problems you have hade with financially irresponsible people. I would like to hear some examples the problem that you have dealt with due to these circumstances so I can better understand you concerns.
As I stated there is nothing wrong with the background check process, only the conclusions hiring managers jump to. As I stated earlier, I wish background checks would expand to in-depth psychological tests and assessments of people being considered for roles in charge of people to ensure someone with severe mental disorders are not put of charge of other employees. I think that alone would save companies of lot of money in productivity,lawsuits.severence packages and un employment insurance.
I certainly could cite instances of problems associated with financially irresponsible employees, but I don't have to justify my business decisions to someone with no stake in my business. Just as you are free to hire as many financially irresponsible people as you want, I am equally free not to hire them. I don't owe you an explanation, and you don't get to tell any business owner who they should hire. Your influence over hiring decisions ends at the limits of your business.
Your position is based entirely on what you "would" do if you had a business, so really all you have to offer are unsubstantiated hypotheses and an uninformed emotional reaction to someone else's business decision. You don't have your livelihood on the line, so your "wishes" and hypothetical employee assessments are just so much hot air. Things look a lot different to someone whose business and livelihood are at risk. So please feel free to indulge your emotions to your heart's content, but give up any notion that they make you an expert on how anyone else should make business decisions.
It is not the issue of the checks, it is the comments in thread judging people and stating a person with credit issues might embezzle money. Personally, I think companies should give a psychiatric evaluation to any employee that is hired in a managerial capacity to make sure they are of sound mind and without severe mental disorders.
I never said embezzling money. I said handling money and expenses. Major difference.
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