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Old 08-23-2014, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Holland
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Today at work a number of team members got below-average performance reviews. They lamented endlessly about it, complaining about how it was undeserved and how they accomplished so much. This is not uncommon for employees to do -- you hear about it all the time. I just laugh at these things. Don't people realize that it is the company's job to push you in the dirt? Do people need their companies to fawn over them in order to raise their self-esteem? If you want a raise in this economy, let's face it: you need to be prepared to look for a new job every two years. It's just so silly.
I am curious, are you just trolling, or is this supposed to be serious?
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Today at work a number of team members got below-average performance reviews. They lamented endlessly about it, complaining about how it was undeserved and how they accomplished so much. This is not uncommon for employees to do -- you hear about it all the time. I just laugh at these things. Don't people realize that it is the company's job to push you in the dirt? Do people need their companies to fawn over them in order to raise their self-esteem? If you want a raise in this economy, let's face it: you need to be prepared to look for a new job every two years. It's just so silly.
Frankly ~ either you are one horrible manager which is why a number of your team got below average ratings OR you just make this stuff up.

I can't tell which.

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They take reviews personally, because it is personal. You are talking about their performance, skills and livelihood. It doesn't get much more personal than that
Bingo. It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

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That forced ranking curve is a joke. Usually the top section is 5% or less, and unevenly distributed through the company (that is, only favored managers are allowed to give out ANY top rankings). Which means you can bust your butt all you want, you're still not getting the top rating.
Yep. And why a large number of the workforce no longer wants to bust their butt. It's unappreciated and certainly not compensated.

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I am curious, are you just trolling, or is this supposed to be serious?
I think the former.
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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Not necessarily,

Post-recession, companies aren't promoting from within or giving performance raises nearly like they used to prior to the recession, since they all have tighter budgets.

One could be the best worker in the organization, but a company isn't just going to create a position out of thin air for said worker unless there is a need to fill. As a result, said best worker takes their talent elsewhere, where they will get the raise/promotion they deserve.
By that logic, why would a post-recession company then reach out to the unproven and unknown in a labor pool to provide advancement? Most professionals can't even establish themselves in a position in less than a year. And, if you take on a position for "x" salary and then, in 2 short years, feel unappreciated because you haven't been given a large promotion and salary increase, the problem is likely with you. The vast majority of people don't make an enormous impact in that short of a time period. So, if you are job hopping every two years because you don't feel appreciated, it is highly likely that the people writing the paycheck are viewing you as an under-qualified malcontent.

Basically, unless you are provided an enormous, guaranteed offer to move elsewhere within the time period, you should take a position with the intent of staying on for at least 3 years and you should negotiate your compensation as such. Job hopping will kill your career.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Today at work a number of team members got below-average performance reviews. They lamented endlessly about it, complaining about how it was undeserved and how they accomplished so much. This is not uncommon for employees to do -- you hear about it all the time. I just laugh at these things. Don't people realize that it is the company's job to push you in the dirt? Do people need their companies to fawn over them in order to raise their self-esteem? If you want a raise in this economy, let's face it: you need to be prepared to look for a new job every two years. It's just so silly.
Because they are "personal"="about them"...DOH!

You have a horrible attitude! They are not working for themselves! They are working for "someone else", and to have that "someone else" treat you like garbage for showing up to work for "them" daily, is $****ty & insulting! Employees are not slaves. They work to live, pay for their $hit, they don't want to sit on welfare or worst!
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Wow, you're a genius. Performance reviews are personal because the employee doesn't want to lose their job and know they're walking on eggshells.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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By that logic, why would a post-recession company then reach out to the unproven and unknown in a labor pool to provide advancement? Most professionals can't even establish themselves in a position in less than a year. And, if you take on a position for "x" salary and then, in 2 short years, feel unappreciated because you haven't been given a large promotion and salary increase, the problem is likely with you. The vast majority of people don't make an enormous impact in that short of a time period. So, if you are job hopping every two years because you don't feel appreciated, it is highly likely that the people writing the paycheck are viewing you as an under-qualified malcontent.

Basically, unless you are provided an enormous, guaranteed offer to move elsewhere within the time period, you should take a position with the intent of staying on for at least 3 years and you should negotiate your compensation as such. Job hopping will kill your career.
It is essentially a catch-22, based on fear from both sides. So both sides are reacting accordingly...

Everyone is on edge given the uncertain economic environment. Debt-laden companies are struggling to stay solvent, while debt-laden individuals are struggling to keep up with their bills.

Ultimately though, the chips will have to fall where they may. If employers are afraid to invest in their employees, then they will have to accept the fact that job hopping is going to be the new norm...

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Old 08-23-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I get role model status on my reviews every year but zero raise for 5 years now. It's nice to hear but I'd rather have the "meets expectation" standard and a raise.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Where the heart is...
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They take reviews personally, because it is personal. You are talking about their performance, skills and livelihood. It doesn't get much more personal than that
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Yeah, that.
I agree and thought it should be obvious that it is personal, it strikes at the heart of every employee who gets up daily to go to work and invest a third of their life (if they're fortunate enough to have a full time job) to earn a living, pay their bills, support themselves/their families and maybe buy a pizza and rent a movie at the end of the week.

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Because how well people did on their performance review will play a factor in them keeping or losing their job, which is how they earn money to survive.

It's simple, really. Let's not be thick.
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Many times performance reviews are popularity reviews and that is personal. At the end of my Father's career (he was a teacher) He was with a principal for 30 years before she retired. The new Principal decided to F with all the old teachers transfering one with a bad leg up to the fifth floor, giving bad performance reviews to the older teachers including my dad for no defensible reasons, belittling them, scheduling pointless meetings long after hours. It is pretty much another facet to this work is a social club BS that is a drag and morale and drain on American businesses.
A perfect example of what office politics disguised as performance reviews can do to help grind managements ax.

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Because they are "personal"="about them"...DOH!

You have a horrible attitude! They are not working for themselves! They are working for "someone else", and to have that "someone else" treat you like garbage for showing up to work for "them" daily, is $****ty & insulting! Employees are not slaves. They work to live, pay for their $hit, they don't want to sit on welfare or worst!
I could not have said any of this any better!
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Oh...I take it personally when I come to work on time everyday and get just about worked to death all the while never hearing any negative comments. Then the review comes along giving me "less than satisfactory" because the 2 people I worked for remembered every minor thing that went wrong over the months yet never said a word to me. Many were things that involved miscommunication on their part. For example, one boss would ask me to call another department because she wanted something. I would call and they would ask "Did she do X? And did she submit Y?" I would have no clue because she didn't tell me. So naturally, she didn't get what she wanted. I would tell her what happened when I called and let her know what she needed to do and would get a dirty look in return. Because of things like that, I was told during my review that I wasn't "assertive enough".

I could go on and on. Of course I took this very personally---who wouldn't? I had always gotten good reviews wherever I worked and didn't want a bad one showing up in my file. So, I quit that job and did temp work for a while. Then I ended up getting a better job and worked with the best boss I ever had in my life.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I am curious, are you just trolling, or is this supposed to be serious?
Nice call because I'm not buying it either. Especially this:
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Don't people realize that it is the company's job to push you in the dirt?
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