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Old 09-12-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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As for hiring people that are just qualified I get that to a point but when you accept finances from a given organization you are tied to the terms and conditions of such.

"the government needs to reduce the amount of money sent overseas and reallocate the same to projects and jobs at home."

Perhaps but at the same point each day the government has to sell bonds to keep the value of the dollar afloat. The early 70's with the opec crisis was really caused by the drop of the gold standard.

There are projects here and there all over the country. However you might not physically see it because frankly just because something is built does not mean people flock to it. We had a housing bubble and there are still millions of empty homes. Massive production can causes prices to drop sometimes to the point where producers destroy product. It's happened before.
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Mdovell -

With all due respect, I can't follow your tangential thinking ...

I'm not talking about building homes by private developers. I'm talking about diverting money that is sent overseas currently to rebuilding infrastructure here in the U.S. The key question is "why do we send so much money overseas when we need the same money at home to take care of our own citizens ?" I can't state it any more simpler than that ....
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Old 09-13-2014, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The "problem" is the same one we've had to deal with since time immemorial; economic activity "creates jobs". but those "jobs" aren't what people entering the work force had in mind.

When Jeff Bezos founded Amazon earl twenty years ago, the problem quickly became self-evident; everybody loved seeing the orders come in, but just about everybody quickly got tired of the mundane tasks of storing, sorting and shipping, even when people didn't have to show up for work until midday, and the structure was informal. So the "organizers", and the guys with the sharp blue pencils, had to be brought in.

It's the way things happen in every mature economy. If any of you whiners have some plan (other than seizing and "redistributing" the imaginary mountain of wealth you believe to be sitting in a vault somewhere), we'd all be eager to hear it.

The unfortunate fact is that someone has to do the work, and those of us who've been at it for a few decades would like to see what we've put aside for our security preserved, rather than eroded when the fools in Washington start running the "funny money" printing press to cover their debts.

Right now, most of the dirty jobs are going to fall to the people who've always been stuck with them -- recent immigrants, whether they're from the Middle East, or Central America, or wherever, and to that portion of the population still caught in the "welfare trap" (although the path out has never been more apparent).

But if some of you are caught because you squandered a student loan on a field of "study" anyone with common sense should have known was useless, and can't find an easy way out via bankruptcy, or whatever, it's hard to come up with much sympathy for you. You can live and learn, or you can drug yourself with most of the garbage in this thread.
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Old 09-13-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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The "problem" is the same one we've had to deal with since time immemorial; economic activity "creates jobs". but those "jobs" aren't what people entering the work force had in mind.

When Jeff Bezos founded Amazon earl twenty years ago, the problem quickly became self-evident; everybody loved seeing the orders come in, but just about everybody quickly got tired of the mundane tasks of storing, sorting and shipping, even when people didn't have to show up for work until midday, and the structure was informal. So the "organizers", and the guys with the sharp blue pencils, had to be brought in.

It's the way things happen in every mature economy. If any of you whiners have some plan (other than seizing and "redistributing" the imaginary mountain of wealth you believe to be sitting in a vault somewhere), we'd all be eager to hear it.

The unfortunate fact is that someone has to do the work, and those of us who've been at it for a few decades would like to see what we've put aside for our security preserved, rather than eroded when the fools in Washington start running the "funny money" printing press to cover their debts.

Right now, most of the dirty jobs are going to fall to the people who've always been stuck with them -- recent immigrants, whether they're from the Middle East, or Central America, or wherever, and to that portion of the population still caught in the "welfare trap" (although the path out has never been more apparent).

But if some of you are caught because you squandered a student loan on a field of "study" anyone with common sense should have known was useless, and can't find an easy way out via bankruptcy, or whatever, it's hard to come up with much sympathy for you. You can live and learn, or you can drug yourself with most of the garbage in this thread.

1) JB's mountain of wealth is hardly imaginary.

2) The path out of the welfare trap is taking one of those crappy dirty jobs?

Fortunately, I'm pretty good at storing, sorting, and shipping, and have created my own job. THAT is the path out, not sorting and shipping someone else's inventory for $8 per hour.
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Old 09-13-2014, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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1) JB's mountain of wealth is hardly imaginary.
JB's wealth is represented mostly by the value of his stockholdings; the market price is currently about six times the "book value" -- what the physical assets are worth after all debts are discharged. Another major innovation in the distribution and supply chain process could diminish it fairly quickly.

At some point in the future, Amazon is likely to face some development which will put its rapid growth on hold: it happened with Apple, IBM, and a lot of other firms in other fields. At that point, we'll find out if Mr. Bezos is made of the same substance as Steven Jobs.

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The path out of the welfare trap is taking one of those crappy dirty jobs?
There is no easy path; nearly all of us get stuck near the bottom of the pyramid due to the sheer force of numbers; I have no answer to this, but I know what won't work. Most of us end up "playing the game" for those who will follow us, anyway.

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Fortunately, I'm pretty good at storing, sorting, and shipping, and have created my own job. THAT is the path out, not sorting and shipping someone else's inventory for $8 per hour.
And more power to you; but a lot of us also try it and find out we're not emotionally equipped or disposed to deal with that collection of foibles and unrealistic wants known as the public. So we modify our plans; maybe limit our entrepreneurship and fill in the gaps with a "day job", or balance alternative plans with those of a spouse or significant other.

The point remains, the nature of entrepreneurship naturally skews the creation of "new" wealth in the direction of a few; the reasons lie in the basics of human nature.
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Old 09-13-2014, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Ontario
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The developed west needs to close its doors to all but the most useful outsiders.
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Old 09-13-2014, 06:16 AM
 
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If you want a good first step in the right direction for the jobs that are currently available, you have to take the ability of hiring out of the employers hands. Shut down online application systems, stop doing credit checks, stop doing personality tests, stop the nepotism, stop the popularity contest interview tactics. Basically you gotta shut down the whole hiring process SYSTEM and just hire people who are qualified. Stop all the nonsense and get people to work. But the sociopathic human rejects (HR) won't let that happen because it means they have to give up their control.
lol that's never happening
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Old 09-13-2014, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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If you want a good first step in the right direction for the jobs that are currently available, you have to take the ability of hiring out of the employers hands. Shut down online application systems, stop doing credit checks, stop doing personality tests, stop the nepotism, stop the popularity contest interview tactics. Basically you gotta shut down the whole hiring process SYSTEM and just hire people who are qualified. Stop all the nonsense and get people to work. But the sociopathic human rejects (HR) won't let that happen because it means they have to give up their control.

Yes, yes, yes!

That's the real problem these days - it's gotten so hard just to get a job that a lot of folks have given up for good, and rightfully so.

If the pub-tards really want to do something about people living on the dole, then they need to do what's right and make it easier to get a danm job.
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Old 09-13-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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"JB's wealth is represented mostly by the value of his stockholdings; the market price is currently about six times the "book value" -- what the physical assets are worth after all debts are discharged. Another major innovation in the distribution and supply chain process could diminish it fairly quickly.

At some point in the future, Amazon is likely to face some development which will put its rapid growth on hold: it happened with Apple, IBM, and a lot of other firms in other fields. At that point, we'll find out if Mr. Bezos is made of the same substance as Steven Jobs."

JB is probably one of the only people in the business world I tend to look up to. Amazon doesn't make much for a profit but rolls the money back into more r&d. Prime alone is a good gateway, kindle is great, fire phone might be ok. But once the drones start and same day shipping gradually becomes the norm...nearly 25% of everything ordered online in the USA is from Amazon. Now Alibaba will be serious competition but even then it means faster product delivery and more services.

"I'm not talking about building homes by private developers. I'm talking about diverting money that is sent overseas currently to rebuilding infrastructure here in the U.S. The key question is "why do we send so much money overseas when we need the same money at home to take care of our own citizens ?" I can't state it any more simpler than that ...."

Actual foreign aid is less then 2% of the overall Federal budget. The vast majority of federal government spending is on social programs like social security and medicare.

At the same point corporate profits and the stock market are at all time highest and yet only 25% of infrastructure spending in this country is by private sources. In some respects this might not be surprising given the efficiencies of technology replace infrastructure. When more communications are not face to face it makes more sense to develop satellite communications rather then roads and bridges in rural areas.

Barack Obama says foreign aid makes up 1 percent of U.S. budget | PolitiFact

Ok consider this though how much is this aid relative to other plans?

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Well that program finished and spent over 280 billion.

Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This came after so about 50 billion a year. So technically even if you brought foreign aid in it would not be that significant in the long run as a percentage. We aren't giving away 10% of the budget each year.

Also is that we debate gas taxes even though those are used for roads
Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Federal highway funds are running out but there are plans to make it more broad based but some still refuse to go to it.
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Old 09-13-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Actual foreign aid is less then 2% of the overall Federal budget. The vast majority of federal government spending is on social programs like social security and medicare.
According to the government, we sent ~38 billion overseas in 2012. That does not include all of the private enterprise cash sent overseas in manufacturing and distribution facilities. Pakistan alone received 2.1 billion and Tanzania 1.1 billion - please explain to me why so much money is sent to these countries among others. Pakistan is a known refuge for terrorists and we send them money ? You don't have an issue with that ? The national debt is approaching $18 trillion and we're giving money away like it's water.

Just for fun, let's recall about 20 billion of that cash and invest it in securing our southern border, wiping out welfare and other social program fraud and shoring up our infrastructure.
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Old 09-13-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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NAFTA. I just knew it was a bad idea. What jobs were going to replace the ones leaving. Via Ross Perots sucking sound as they left for cheap labor and no environmental regs. No long term thinking going on in the USA. Just short term profits. Then the bastards off shore their company to keep from paying taxes.
I notice my kid's school pushes Common Core with its emphasis on math. Like we are desperate for engineers, And whatever jobs that use such math? Yep, all those lever pulling/assembly kinda jobs leaving was a bad idea.
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