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Old 10-04-2014, 07:11 PM
 
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The EEOC is out of control.

Soon employers will have to start picking their employees by picking names out of a hat.
Could not agree more. A business owner should have the right to hire, and more importantly not hire, anyone s/he wants. If I were to open an Chinese restaurant, I would only hire Chinese wait staff for the authentic experience, but doing so overly would be against the law. Instead I have to make **** up and manipulate the numbers to in effect only hire Chinese (or Chinese-American) workers.

**** EEOC, seriously.
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Old 10-04-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: midtown mile area, Atlanta GA
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Businesses have the right to hire who they want, but if you are using a personality test to winnow down applications that has questions that have nothing to do with the qualifications and ability of those applying for the job, well there may be a problem. Applications are being kicked out by the computer using these tests before a human lays eyes on them-and that's where the process has a fault.
According to the article, Whole Foods quit using these because the applicants that the tests highly marked didn't match up to the jobs whole foods needed them for.
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Old 10-04-2014, 08:52 PM
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Location: Ohio
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Some of the folks posting in this thread apparently haven't noticed the complaints in other threads from introverts who suspect that these tests are weeding them out of the candidate pool for jobs.
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not an introvert might be a valid job requirement for some jobs requiring customer contact and sales skills.

The tests I have seen are ones where a production worker applicant must have knowledge qualifying them for the most skilled jobs in a line of progression (a job that under ideal economic conditions that might be available 15-20 years hence) or 'honesty' tests in retail. I actually had a situation where an employer engaged a psychologist who used the MMPI (there the employee sued and the employer caved when it turned out that the 'psychologist' was practicing without a license).
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:33 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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I'm on the autistic spectrum (Asperger's) so personality tests are not really OK with me. I am the way I am through no fault of my own, and I have worked extremely hard over the years to project the appearance and behavior of a "neurotypical." I can see through the questions on psychological screens, but it's more difficult for me to figure out what a potential employer wants me to say on a personality test.

Since I don't work in sales or customer service, I don't see how a personality test is relevant to my employability...as long as I'm not an a-hole or a sociopath (which I'm not).
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:52 PM
 
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Since I don't work in sales or customer service, I don't see how a personality test is relevant to my employability...as long as I'm not an a-hole or a sociopath (which I'm not).
Shouldn't an employer be able to exclude people with certain personality traits from employment? Even if for no other reason that they simply don't want people with those traits?
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:14 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Shouldn't an employer be able to exclude people with certain personality traits from employment? Even if for no other reason that they simply don't want people with those traits?
That's what an interview is for.
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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Most people answer how they *think* the employer wants them to answer. Or they answer how they *think* they act but in actuality, a potential employee may lack the self-awareness to give reality based answers. In sum, potential employees lie a lot on tests like these. Its similar to "padding the resume." The liars have an advantage whereas steadfast honest people and/or concrete thinkers (as it doesn't occur to them to lie) are at a huge disadvantage.

This makes these tests useless in many instances.
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:09 AM
 
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That's what an interview is for.
Sure, but while the MBTI isn't a good test there are certainly ways to pre-screen employees electronically before wasting time on an interview. If someone who's truly good gets pre-screened out by mistake, so what, for every false positive there are tons of qualified people who make it through.

In the end it's a statistics game.
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Old 10-05-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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These tests are BS on so many levels that the only thing they really measure is whether the applicant has researched how to pick the right answers. The idea that you can use a simple multiple choice test can do the job of the BAU team from Criminal Minds is beyond ridiculous. Frankly, the fact that anyone in HR or management can be so easily scammed to put money into this sort of quackery is a disturbing commentary on the critical thinking skills of the people managing American companies.

What these mis-managers are arguing for is the right to waste 1 hour + of time of each applicant on BS. So they are literally wasting 300 hours of job seeker's time per job opening. It is time for government to put limits on the abuses inflicted job applicants. If you want to engage in quackery be like those morons several years back that thought they could slow ageing by drinking urine. Just don't try to force others to drink that urine.
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