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Old 10-19-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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I am just sick of all the sex offenders and violent crime offenders getting more employment opportunities than people who have no criminal history at all.

These sex offenders and violent crime offenders need to pay for their crimes with their lives. Either execute them or at least make their lives impossible.
Oh puhlease, most people with any type of sex offense on their record have the hardest time finding a job! It doesn't matter if it's in a warehouse surrounded by adults, they still can't get hired

And their lives and that of their families are most often nearly impossible. It's way to easy to end up with that label and false accusations are on the rise...better hope nobody ever turns on you!
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Old 10-19-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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I am just sick of all the sex offenders and violent crime offenders getting more employment opportunities than people who have no criminal history at all.
*This* is preposterous. There's a reason the guy in question is mowing lawns - many people with criminal histories turn to self-employment or "under the table" employment out of sheer desperation for work. On the other hand, let's not be naive here. For every guy that got caught urinating on the side of the road or dating a H.S. sophomore as a senior, there are at least 9 run of the mill scumbags on that list who "couldn't resist" their 12 year old stepdaughter, got busted downloading copious amounts of child porn, or wouldn't take "no" for an answer. There are many people who have been sexually assaulted as children or as adults - someone's out there committing those crimes. Please, save your sympathies for some of the drug offenders whose applications are tossed in the garbage by employers just the same.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Never even understood the whole point of the sex offender classification. If the person is so likely to re offend, why are they out in society? If the person was fully trusted in society then there would be no point of the sex offender registry. Although I do feel bad for the person who is on the registry because he urinated on the side of the road.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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*This* is preposterous. There's a reason the guy in question is mowing lawns - many people with criminal histories turn to self-employment or "under the table" employment out of sheer desperation for work. On the other hand, let's not be naive here. For every guy that got caught urinating on the side of the road or dating a H.S. sophomore as a senior, there are at least 9 run of the mill scumbags on that list who "couldn't resist" their 12 year old stepdaughter, got busted downloading copious amounts of child porn, or wouldn't take "no" for an answer. There are many people who have been sexually assaulted as children or as adults - someone's out there committing those crimes. Please, save your sympathies for some of the drug offenders whose applications are tossed in the garbage by employers just the same.
Depends on how long ago it was. Would you want someone facing a suspended liscense for DWIs or DUIs? I agree it's about context.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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Woah, calm down tiger. Execute them? Make their lives impossible? You sound like an irrational and potentially violent person yourself.



If they knew what they did was wrong ... and if they'd do that again, over and over again ....
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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I think the forum replies are perfect example of sources. Lots of people hiring the sex offenders. And like I said before it is not just the sex offenders. It is those who committed the violent crimes I hate too.

There was this one guy with very long criminal record including about 4 or 5 felonies in various states. He finally stabbed two women instead of being executed, they sent him to a half way house to "get some Jesus". Then they placed him to work at an oil rig. Oil Rigs can be temporary jobs but so what? - They aren't exactly minimum wage jobs. He lost absolutely nothing. His life actually improved by committing yet another crime and harming the other people.

The evil criminals may not be hired as much as average people but they are still hired. Perhaps they should get a job cleaning toxic waste dumps, as part of a life in prison sentence. Life without the possibility of parole, without the possibility of harming more people. Either that or just execute them. It's not right for the Poe Lease to slap guilty people on the wrist yet they execute the innocent people. (without a death sentence)

I know there are some who are wrongfully convicted. I am just saying it is just wrong to 110% ignore the wrongs that other criminals did when they clearly knew the wrongs they did were wrong.
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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I think the forum replies are perfect example of sources. Lots of people hiring the sex offenders. And like I said before it is not just the sex offenders. It is those who committed the violent crimes I hate too.

There was this one guy with very long criminal record including about 4 or 5 felonies in various states. He finally stabbed two women instead of being executed, they sent him to a half way house to "get some Jesus". Then they placed him to work at an oil rig. Oil Rigs can be temporary jobs but so what? - They aren't exactly minimum wage jobs. He lost absolutely nothing. His life actually improved by committing yet another crime and harming the other people.

The evil criminals may not be hired as much as average people but they are still hired. Perhaps they should get a job cleaning toxic waste dumps, as part of a life in prison sentence. Life without the possibility of parole, without the possibility of harming more people. Either that or just execute them. It's not right for the Poe Lease to slap guilty people on the wrist yet they execute the innocent people. (without a death sentence)

I know there are some who are wrongfully convicted. I am just saying it is just wrong to 110% ignore the wrongs that other criminals did when they clearly knew the wrongs they did were wrong.
Your rambling. Who exactly is this "they" who sent "him" to an oil rig? I'm assuming he applied for the job and got it because it was the only one this guy could get. Your implying the committing a crime helped him get a job which is assenine. The point is that most felons will never get any job that requires a background check for life which is any decent job and then they wonder why they commit more crimes.and they usually know they were in prison anyways because they have to account for the years where they had no address and work history.
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think the forum replies are perfect example of sources. Lots of people hiring the sex offenders. And like I said before it is not just the sex offenders. It is those who committed the violent crimes I hate too.

There was this one guy with very long criminal record including about 4 or 5 felonies in various states. He finally stabbed two women instead of being executed, they sent him to a half way house to "get some Jesus". Then they placed him to work at an oil rig. Oil Rigs can be temporary jobs but so what? - They aren't exactly minimum wage jobs. He lost absolutely nothing. His life actually improved by committing yet another crime and harming the other people.

The evil criminals may not be hired as much as average people but they are still hired. Perhaps they should get a job cleaning toxic waste dumps, as part of a life in prison sentence. Life without the possibility of parole, without the possibility of harming more people. Either that or just execute them. It's not right for the Poe Lease to slap guilty people on the wrist yet they execute the innocent people. (without a death sentence)

I know there are some who are wrongfully convicted. I am just saying it is just wrong to 110% ignore the wrongs that other criminals did when they clearly knew the wrongs they did were wrong.
It's just the wrongfully convicted but also those who made one single mistake early in life that shows up every time they look for a job. A mistake they learned from and NEVER repeated and actually learned from it.
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:40 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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ASSAULT WITH INTENT TO COMMIT CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT

Class A, C, or E Felony Code Section 16-3-656 CDR Codes 253-255
Elements Of The Offense

1. That the accused had the intent to commit Criminal Sexual Conduct.
2. That there was an overt act toward commission of the crime.
3. That the accused failed to accomplish actual "Sexual Battery."

Penalty:

Assault with intent to commit criminal sexual conduct described in the above sections shall be punishable as if the criminal sexual conduct was committed.

Reading this and his charge page, I see that (a) the arrest was 5 years ago, (b) the offense was listed as third degree.

I don't know much about crime, but I do speculate that if it is third degree, it could have been a date situation that went wrong, something with his wife, or many other such things.

I am not married and have no children around the house, so for me, I think I can just let it be and be sure not to invite the guy into the house unless and until I get to know him better. My concern and question is "do I owe anything to my neighbors to disclose what I have learned? I started using the services because a neighbor was already a customer."
This seems to me to be yet another example of stupid, draconian laws that result in more prisons being built to accommodate the overflow ........

He did NOT batter or touch her. An assault can mean anything, someone up above mentioned that yelling at someone is an assault in some states. So coming on to a person is as bad as actual rape? Puh-leeze.

I'm guessing that he asked his ex for one last fling, and did it in a clumsy way such as pulling out his erect penis and walking toward her while asking. Maybe that kind of thing is worth some community service but certainly not sex offender status. Again, just guessing.

Yes, you should hire him, and no don't tell anyone about his record. Many of them would freak out, he'd get harassed, maybe even harmed. People in this country have lost common sense and are meaner than they used to be.
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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I hired a convicted sex offender for a position at one church I served. He did serve time in a federal prison and had been out only 3 or 4 years. When we interviewed him he was very upfront about his crime, what supervision he was under and how the restrictions placed upon him would impact the way we did things.

No regrets in hiring him, he was one of the best employees we had. Even though I am no longer at that church, I know he is still employed there and still a model employee.

Some people do need second chances.
I am surprised he allowed to be anywhere near kids - they can't be near the schools? so you took a big chance- and another pastor had a trusted man working with him for years, at his horror, he found out that he wanted to eat the children, after his enjoyment. thanks God he never got to the kids, that pastor would have died. Another church I know, the man would come to church, but then some time later asked f he could work with the youth? He was wise enough to say no- but too many chances. I'm sorry. They get human rights from me- food a place to stay - but a job where he is no where near kids-- people yards? no way-- go find another human your age, you already know this is a sexual preference, it is what they prefer and it is also a very hard to change that.
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