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Old 10-26-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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If you've ever worked a minimum wage job have you ever noticed that your co-workers are , how do I put this, err not working with a full deck? Yet these are the same people who want to increase the minimum wage. I mean I've seen not-too-bright people in office jobs as well but it seems prevalent in minimum wage workers...maybe they're working there for a reason.
Maybe they're not working hard because they're getting paid so little so they're resentful.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:44 PM
 
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If they aren't working well because they are resentful I think that will hamper their chances of ever improving their situation. To me that makes them not too savvy.

I'm still trying to figure out what my excuse is supposed to be. Is there a snarky tone here about people who work minimum wage jobs? If so, there shouldn't be. As someone else said, they serve a purpose for a time for many people and having experience on your resume is better than not.

I don't think anyone should be ashamed of doing a good job at any job they have. Unfortunately these days people expect to start out at the top instead of working their way up and there's been a change in the work ethic because of that. Don't pay me enough, I'm just not going to work hard.

I waitressed in high school and while I was going to college. And I worked nights in a factory after I got my first college degree because we didn't want to pay money for a baby sitter. Both of us were working our tails off in those days at low paying jobs. But we were both good workers, got tons of experience and good recommendations and when we retired we did so at the top of our professions.

That's why I wouldn't ever put down anyone who is working a minimum wage job if they are doing it well. It's not what you do or how smart or well-educated you are. In the final measure it's all about attitude and willingness.
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Old 10-28-2014, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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That would be an assinine attitude...

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Maybe they're not working hard because they're getting paid so little so they're resentful.
Nowhere is it written that anyone is entitled to a particular standard of living simply because they show up at a job [and works however hard he or she may work]. Nowhere is it written that anyone is entitled to any particular standard of living simply by virtue of working at a job for 40 hours each week.

Anyone who feels that he is not making enough money [at whatever job] is free to work more and make more money, or to improve himself (education, work skills/effort) to make himself more valuable and thereby command a better wage. There is no law that says you can only work one job. My wife works multiple jobs, I work a job and my own business on the side...and there have been times when I worked as many as three jobs (two full-time and one part-time- to pay for college courses in order to improve my education and skills).

I have worked minimum wage jobs (and jobs that paid LESS than minimum wage, with no tips either). They were but stepping stones to better jobs. Rarely have I ever worked a minimum wage (or less) job for more than a few months before either moving on to a higher paying job or demonstrating why I deserved to be making more and getting raises.

You can't look at a woodstove and say "Give me heat, and then I'll feed you." Un-unh. It doesn't work that way. You have to cut and split the wood, then you have to build the fire. You start small, with a little bit of tinder, and then you grow it. You keep feeding it, gradually making the fire bigger, until it gives you the heat you need. But you can't stop feeding it. You have to keep cutting and splitting the wood, and feeding the fire if you want to *stay* warm. If you slack off, the fire goes out and you have to start all over again.

You have to put in the effort FIRST, then reap the reward. That's life, and that's FAIR, it's the way the world works.

If you aren't willing to put in the effort, then slag you, you don't deserve the reward.

I've busted my tail at low-wage jobs, putting out my best effort *regardless* of what the pay-rate was, in order to show that I DESRVED more, and that attitude has paid off . I started my current job as a [just barely above minimum wage] temp day laborer. I busted butt doing everything nobody else would do and got the company to hire me direct less than a year later. I worked with a guy who said "I only get paid $X, so I'm only going to work X dollars worth." I told him that was the wrong attitude, and I continued to bust my hump. When lay-offs came, guess who got axed and who stayed...and guess who, less than five years after getting hired is now Top Dog?

And guess what else? I made that plan within the first two hours of that job while humping floor-loaded freight out of a 53' trailer, when I didn't even have any guarantee of even getting a second day of work. I PLANNED to get myself hired within a year, and I PLANNED to be the one running the show within five years after that...and every thing I did was with those goals in mind. You have to plan your work and work your plan, if you FAIL to plan, then you plan to fail...and it's your own fault. Oh, and by the way, I started that plan at just shy of fifty years of age, as a "disabled" vet ([involuntarily] medically retired from the Army) working circles around young'uns less than half my age and in full health.

Anyone who stays in a minimum-wage job DESERVES to stay there, and is in no way entitled to anything better than what he's getting, or whatever standard of living he has. I'm sick and tired of hearing (reading) the whining and snivelling of lazy, good-for-nothing moaners who think the good things in life should be handed to them on a silver platter just because they are breathing, trying to suck it out of the pockets of people like me who has worked my tail off for every slagging thing I have despite losing an eye, despite having my neck broken and being told I'd never walk again, despite having my back broken, despite having an arm almost completely ripped off my body, despite the bones in my mangled foot being re-broken (after serving for a year with them twisted and badly healed) and then fused together with steel to hold them in place, despite having had almost as many holes as a colander punched in me, despite the scars from metal and white phosphorus burns, despite (on one occasion) dragging my crippled, bleeding butt back to the base so badly disfigured that grown men passed out at the sight of me.

Slag 'em. Slag 'em all. I'm tired of all this BS from bleeding-heart commies. I joined the service to do my duty in the fight against comunism/socialism and all the while they've been breeding under the rocks here at home and sneaking into the White House. They pointed us (and their fingers) at the Russians, the Chinese, the Cubans, the Sandinistas, the Vietnamese, the Koreans while the worst of the bunch have been right here all along, insideously infiltrating and turning the American way of life and liberty into a festering pustule of communistic welfare, entitlement and "You've got to gimme some of what you got because I don't wanna put in the effort to get it myself."

I think that every single American who has served, whether in all/any of the BS wars (official and unofficial) since WWII or not, who has put on the uniform and trained and stood ready, should stand up and fight again, put the commies out of the government and get us back on the right path. There are a heck of a lot of us now, and we can be a force to be reckoned with. Get out and make your votes count...while it can still (maybe) be solved with votes.
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