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Old 10-27-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Ak-Rowdy, OH
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Read through this thread of yours again. There were a lot of suggestions that had nothing to do with working overseas. Take a good look at post 33 in that thread.

Here's a recap of what was suggested that was not overseas teaching or getting a medical degree.

Retail Start at $8/hr
Corporate Training Need experience
Finance Need experience, or start as commission only, or start as a teller
HR Need experience
Military
University staff - admissions, transcript evaluation, advising, registrar's office
Grant writer for a non-profit Most want experience
Teaching in a prison
tech writer
Textbook/instructional materials sales rep
Adult literacy teacher
Training and development specialist
Teaching online class
teaching home-bound children
Museum educator/guide $8/hour
Textbook author
Standardized test creator
Recruiter for a staffing agency Most want experience
Very few of those things one can walk into without any experience. Not saying don't try, but most are looking for some sort of experience, and there are many, many people out there applying that do have experience.
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Old 10-27-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Hampton Roads
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I think it would be beneficial to the OP to really talk it out with someone who knows her very well. The limitations she has in the education field will also be limitations in most other professional environments unfortunately. Most employers are looking for the type of people who don't need to be told what to do, but go ahead and get it done. They want people who speak with confidence, think critically, be able to accept harsh criticism or rejection without breaking, and have enough charisma to want to be around on a daily basis.

I agree with the one poster's comments about joining Toastmasters. Learning how to speak well and present yourself is monumentally helpful. In fact, joining Toastmasters could give her access to a network of professionals willing to mentor her, get to know her, help her...
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Old 10-27-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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With a master's degree, you can possibly teach education courses at a community college or for-profit college full-time or as an adjunct.
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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I am wondering how did she land the technical writer job? Did she previous experience, did she simply apply through the company's website, did she have a portfolio of earlier technical writing type work?
My husband is tech writer for a government contractor in Northern VA. He found the job through a Craigslist advertisement (believe it or not). He has a degree in communications, and he did not have any experience with technical writing so there are definitely companies our there that will hire tech writers with no previous tech writing experience. (He does have oodles of experience in writing for newspapers)

OP, since you have trouble with teaching children - what about teaching adults? Surely there are some GED programs that may need teachers.
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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I have a bachelor's in English / Language Arts and Secondary Education, and I'm currently pursuing a master's of Education with a concentration in TESOL. I originally wanted to become a teacher, but substitute teaching is proving to me that perhaps I don't have the stamina for it. Teaching overseas is still an option, but I'm hoping I'm not just limited to teaching. What else can I do with these degrees? I need to start doing something to pay my student loans after I graduate.

A position as a paralegal may be one option, although I have not seriously tried to pursue it. The lawyers around here seem to think that teachers make great paralegals. I, personally, have never tried the work, so I don't know if I would do well or not.
I am assuming, like a double major friend of mine, that you find the interaction level to be exhausting.
You would be right. Teaching LOOKS easy but not for everyone. The reason lawyers like teachers is
that they are usually thorough, complete the ENTIRE project, and don't need to be baby-sat in the chosen word department.

If writing is your thing oil companies and those dealing with billion dollar contracts and press releases need people who can write (a friend has a job like that; it's not really advertised) and another is a parole officer because JUDGES need pre-sentence reports that they can actually UNDERSTAND. That got my sister in after she was passed over multiple times because of preferential minority hiring. None of them could write in English an understandable report. Can you imagine being up for two or ten years in jail and your parole officer is a functional illiterate?? Hey, buddy, you're going down for all the wrong reasons! They just gave you an EXTRA TEN YEARS!!

Two careers anyway. Just suggesting today.
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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Either teach or write. There are high paying jobs for experienced, talented copywriters, bloggers and technical writers out there, it's just hard knowing where to get started. I would try to reach out to some professional bloggers and see if you get pointers. Teaching is a different animal altogether.

Unfortunately, writing is undervalued since anyone can write, even if they didn't major in English.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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I meant mental stamina. These kids test me and test me. I feel like I often fail them, too. I wish they would assign a grader to see how I did . It would also be nice to have a rubric so I understand what their tests are supposed to measure.
To some degree that can just be your being the sub than teaching in general. I remember we were hard on subs, especially in primary school. Less so in HS, though that will of course vary a lot from area to area. Where I live, subbing is not as hard as it sounds for you (my wife subs), but this is a small community with a great deal of parent engagement, and that helps tremendously when it comes to kids' behavior.

Mpowering1 had some great advice if you plan to teach - join Toastmasters. Public speaking was emphasized to some degree in the BS program I went through (geology), probably because most undergrads in it were on the academic track rather than the industry track. For whatever reason, it was a huge help in ways I never could have predicted. Some people chuckle a bit at the idea of Toastmasters, but the bottom line is it gives you practice in public speaking - and lack of practice is what makes it so very hard to do.

It's very hard to turn out good technical writing, just a word of caution. One has to be able to write well, which clearly you can do already, but it is also important to be able to understand the subject one is writing about. Three quarters of the bad tech writing I've seen was from non-writers, but the genuinely mysterious stuff seemed to be from non-techs

That's not meant to discourage you, just explain one of the pitfalls that no one seems to talk about.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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Writing actually sounds like a good field to try to get into. Does anyone have an idea where I should look for a paying gig? Almost everything I see is volunteer work. I guess I could write an opinion piece or two for the school paper so that I have some samples. I wish I would have known about technical writing. The university I attended actually offered a course in it that I could have taken as an undergrad. The writing courses at this particular college were very thorough, so it probably would have unearthed a wealth of new skills.

Private tutoring is another awesome option, but, again, where should I start? I've tried to apply with places like Sylvan, but I wasn't exactly what they were looking for. Math and science teachers are more in-demand everywhere. I wish I knew of some resources that would help me teach basic math, science, and reading well. I also wish I knew some of the basics of offering paid tutoring services. Then, maybe I would have a little more confidence when offering private tutoring.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Greeley, CO
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With a master's degree, you can possibly teach education courses at a community college or for-profit college full-time or as an adjunct.
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I've been thinking about going back to school for a master's later on down the road, to teach at local community colleges. Even if one were to obtain a Master's and have no former teaching experience whatsoever, would colleges still accept them onboard as an adjunct? I think I remember reading an article once which stated that colleges prefer adjuncts with actual teaching experience, I guess at a high school level or so. Just thought I'd ask!
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Old 10-27-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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I've been thinking about going back to school for a master's later on down the road, to teach at local community colleges. Even if one were to obtain a Master's and have no former teaching experience whatsoever, would colleges still accept them onboard as an adjunct? I think I remember reading an article once which stated that colleges prefer adjuncts with actual teaching experience, I guess at a high school level or so. Just thought I'd ask!
Not worth it. People who get Master's, including Ph.D. dropouts, as well as many Ph.D. students who can't get real jobs, go become adjuncts for almost no pay, no respect, no benefits, and no job security. You're at the mercy of student ratings from a bunch of 18 year olds who don't want to be there.

I know people who have done it with no teaching experience and people with plenty. Easiest way to get experience is to be a TA in college or grad school.
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