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Old 10-29-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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That survey is absolute garbage. Companies do not lose money this way, certainly not 10 million dollars, and anyone who says differently is either selling something or being deceived by someone that is.
Ridiculous that someone can't occasionally check their cel phone and still do their job.

I'd lay off the koolaid if I were you.

So you must be someone who enjoys breaking the rules and "sticking it to the man".

I've gone through this with employees who liked to come back from lunch 5 minutes late every day and swore it was no big deal. I proved it was, and will do it again. It's simple math. This is based only on 250 people...... Scale this up and you could EASILY lose $10M per year. We were losing over $9k per year with just 85 people taking an extra 5 minutes for lunch each day.



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Do you realize how silly this sounds? There was a poll done recently with 500 people and 50% of those surveyed said they worked in blocks of 15 minutes before checking their email, texting, and doing other things on their cell phones. Survey results showed that in companies with 1,000 employees or more, the company loses $10 million dollars a year on this. So if there are rules in place, there's a reason for it and you have a choice of either not working at a company with those rules, following those rules, or thinking you're above the rules and then getting fired. Your choice.

Or you could start your own company and allow your employees to do whatever they want.


250 people check their mail every 15 minutes. Let's say it takes them 5 minutes. A normal work day is 8 hrs. 60 minutes x 8 hrs = 480 minutes. So 480 minutes work time divided by 24 instances of 5 minute breaks. That's 120 minutes per day not working.
Now lets say the average hourly rate for each employee is $22. (Many companies with over 1000 employees are business firms with higher paying jobs) $22/hr is equal to $0.36/minute. That's $43.20 per employee per day wasted. 250 people x $43.20 = $10,800 per day lost.
$10,800 per day lost x 5 days = $54,000 per WEEK. Total lost for the year?? ($54,000 x 52 weeks) = $2,808,000 PER YEAR.

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Old 10-29-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA
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...in my view it was all bs stuff.
You haven't learned yet how much your opinion counts for? What employer spells out the rules and then asks what you think of them?
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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I am sooo sorry you failed basic math.... Because a company can and does lose Millions when the employees stop their job to check their phones....

Example.... This is with a small company.. It gets larger with the more employees you have....

Company has 10,000 employees...
Each is paid $10 an hour.....
Each works 40 hours a week...
This adds up to $4,000,000 in payroll a week...
Which is $208,000,000 a year

Now say that half of them (5,000) check their phones for 10 minutes every couple of hours...
That is 40 minutes a day (of which they are NOT working BUT being paid) which is $6.80 of their hourly rate multiplied by 5,000 which equals $34,000
Take this and multiply by 52 weeks and you get $1,768,000 which is a lot for a small company...
From an accounting standpoint you are correct. But the flaw in your model is the presumption that employees are productive every minute of 40 hours per week. Humans have never been and never will be machines. Many studies have shown that happy employees who take such breaks are more productive overall. If one wasn't wasting 40 minutes a day on their phone they would probably be wasting 40 minutes doing something else like standing around the coffee machine or chatting with coworkers or taking smoke breaks or whatever. Office productivity didn't take a nose dive with the advent of cell phones.
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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From an accounting standpoint you are correct. But the flaw in your model is the presumption that employees are productive every minute of 40 hours per week. Humans have never been and never will be machines. Many studies have shown that happy employees who take such breaks are more productive overall. If one wasn't wasting 40 minutes a day on their phone they would probably be wasting 40 minutes doing something else like standing around the coffee machine or chatting with coworkers or taking smoke breaks or whatever. Office productivity didn't take a nose dive with the advent of cell phones.
However, here's another way to look at it, as I considered this point of view reading their post as well.

Say an average employee is productive 50 minutes of each hour. 10 minutes they may be aimlessly spacing off, talking to a coworker, maybe surfing for the latest season of Golden Girls on Amazon, you know, the usual.

You throw in the cell phone into the picture, now, in addition to their coworkers, they are catching up with family, friends, or other people they may not see in the work place. Plus, they may also be searching sites blocked at work, checking person email, etc.

I think the cell phone gives them more options to not work.
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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There is a trade off here though. With technological advances the regular employee is FAR FAR more productive than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Can you imagine having to use a typewriter and a phone for all communication, all the time? Or not being able to scan and send documents? It wasn't that long ago. And salaries have, in no way (in real dollars) kept up with this productivity, in fact in many ways they have declined.

So people produce more, even with the distractions, than they ever did, for the same compensation.

Is that really a problem? Sure, it might be because they COULD produce more without the distractions... so it does hit the bottom line, but is industry really being harmed?
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Old 10-29-2014, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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Yes, it is. And the general attitude of much of the population has changed (in my opinion) to believe that they should get paid more to work less.

If it takes longer to produce results, companies have to factor that into quotes to their customers. This drives up the cost of producing results (products, services, etc...) thus driving up the cost to the customer. This could cost companies business.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County
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IMO opinion distractions are impossible to avoid. Whether it's a cell phone, talking to a neighbor, daydreaming, surfing the net, reading a magazine, walking around, etc. is irrelevant. People are not wired to work 8 hours straight without being distracted from time to time.

The key is to work on reducing the distractions. I know plenty of extremely productive people who check their phone from time to time and god forbid even go online while at work. Deal with those who abuse the system and don't meet productivity numbers.

If you have a zero tolerance policy for cell phone use, but still allow them to bring cell phones to work, then you will have extremely high turnover.

If you really have zero tolerance for cell phones due to security you need to collect them at the door or tell the employees to leave them in the car. Will you then fire an employee for daydreaming for 2 minutes instead of working nonstop for 8 hours?
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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So you must be someone who enjoys breaking the rules and "sticking it to the man".

I've gone through this with employees who liked to come back from lunch 5 minutes late every day and swore it was no big deal. I proved it was, and will do it again. It's simple math. This is based only on 250 people...... Scale this up and you could EASILY lose $10M per year. We were losing over $9k per year with just 85 people taking an extra 5 minutes for lunch each day.







250 people check their mail every 15 minutes. Let's say it takes them 5 minutes. A normal work day is 8 hrs. 60 minutes x 8 hrs = 480 minutes. So 480 minutes work time divided by 24 instances of 5 minute breaks. That's 120 minutes per day not working.
Now lets say the average hourly rate for each employee is $22. (Many companies with over 1000 employees are business firms with higher paying jobs) $22/hr is equal to $0.36/minute. That's $43.20 per employee per day wasted. 250 people x $43.20 = $10,800 per day lost.
$10,800 per day lost x 5 days = $54,000 per WEEK. Total lost for the year?? ($54,000 x 52 weeks) = $2,808,000 PER YEAR.
What an incredibly short sighted and shallow viewpoint. People are not livestock. Production is not uniform, it has many variables to which you have chosen to ignore. Your math is totally incorrect.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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in my view it was all bs stuff.
Not surprising.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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From an accounting standpoint you are correct. But the flaw in your model is the presumption that employees are productive every minute of 40 hours per week. Humans have never been and never will be machines. Many studies have shown that happy employees who take such breaks are more productive overall. If one wasn't wasting 40 minutes a day on their phone they would probably be wasting 40 minutes doing something else like standing around the coffee machine or chatting with coworkers or taking smoke breaks or whatever. Office productivity didn't take a nose dive with the advent of cell phones.

I'll use my company as an example. We employ around 85,000 people.

Let's factor in an 85% productivity rate since some say people can't be productive all the time (this is definitely true in our industry as we are waiting on others before we can do our work).


Now let's do the math again. If we work 8 hr days at 85% productivity, that's 408 minutes per day.

42,500 people (1/2 of 85,000) * 408 minutes = 17,340,000 minutes per day that should be productive.

If half the work force plays on their phones for 5 minutes every 15 minutes, that's 24 instances per day. 5 min x 24 instances = 120 min per person per day.

If the average pay rate is $22/hr (it's actually higher) then that's $0.36 per minute. $.036 x 120 minutes = $43.20 per person, per day.

$43.20 x 42,500 people = $1,836,000 per DAY.

$1,836,000 x 5 days = $9,180,000 per WEEK.

$9,180,000 x 48 weeks (let's say 2 weeks vacation are taken by everyone, 1 week sick time, and 1 week holidays) = $440,640,000 per YEAR spent on people sitting around playing on their phones.
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