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Old 11-24-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Does anyone else think this was done for Hillary's run?

And does anyone else think all those getting amnesty will get a reprieve from paying the penalty if they don't have health insurance in 2015? ($325 or 2% of income, whichever is greater)
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: NYC
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From Tech world, it's about getting Visas for workers at a salaries many tech firms can stomach.

Instead of paying a US tech worker $50-80k, they can basically get a bunch of $30k people from overseas.

It starts at the top, American IT mgrs want $150k+ salaries in order for that to happen companies have to trim the salaries of subordinates of IT mgrs low enough to fit budget.

Some companies budget for under $1mil/yr for IT salaries. You can't hire more than 10-13 people at today's rates so the only way is to get lots of folks making under $50k.

This is one of the reason IT salaries are depressed because there is a food chain problem. IT managers are depressing salaries of their workers in order to keep inflating theirs.

Salaries of IT workers are staying flat but salaries of IT execs have been going up.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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A large proportion of the illegal immigrants in this country are people who overstayed a visa, not the stereotypical person sneaking across the Rio Grande.
BS. An estimated 52% of all illegals are Mexican -- more than half of all illegals are from that one country alone. And it's ridiculous how you cited a study about "immigrants", when this is a thread about ILLEGALS.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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From Tech world, it's about getting Visas for workers at a salaries many tech firms can stomach.

Instead of paying a US tech worker $50-80k, they can basically get a bunch of $30k people from overseas.

It starts at the top, American IT mgrs want $150k+ salaries in order for that to happen companies have to trim the salaries of subordinates of IT mgrs low enough to fit budget.

Some companies budget for under $1mil/yr for IT salaries. You can't hire more than 10-13 people at today's rates so the only way is to get lots of folks making under $50k.

This is one of the reason IT salaries are depressed because there is a food chain problem. IT managers are depressing salaries of their workers in order to keep inflating theirs.

Salaries of IT workers are staying flat but salaries of IT execs have been going up.
In my experience this is because the old dogs running companies do not understand how crucial IT is to business. At least with increasing IT audit regulations they will start waking up. Im a corporate accountant and every one of our issues stems from IT. They give them tiny budgets and expect them to work miracles.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: DC
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Does anyone else think this was done for Hillary's run?

And does anyone else think all those getting amnesty will get a reprieve from paying the penalty if they don't have health insurance in 2015? ($325 or 2% of income, whichever is greater)
Keen observation on the obvious ploy which was pandering to what may soon become a majority population.

May whatever god you believe in help us all if Jeb is the turd sandwich and Hillary is the giant douche for the 2016 run. Jeb has been groomed to pander the Latino vote since the 80s whereas Hillary's' si se puede!' meme from 2008 speaks for itself.

Frankly, if either of these two, please no not both please no, end up winning primaries, it'll be for change that nobody could or should possibly believe in.

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Old 11-24-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: In the Light of His Love
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Does anyone think this might not even happen? I know a few people who think it will be vetoed by congress/senate.
A Presidential order is not presented to Congress/Senate. It is normally a way to implement a law that Congress has passed. This time it is to prevent implementation of said law.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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BS. An estimated 52% of all illegals are Mexican -- more than half of all illegals are from that one country alone.
Which doesn't mean that none of them had valid visas when they first arrived.

Politifact analysis of the claim says it's pretty widely accepted that about 40% of people in the US illegally overstayed a visa. That could be a tourist visa or a work visa. The number is based on a 2007 study; there aren't newer figures available.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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I hate to burst your already fragile bubble but most of them won't make enough to have to pay any income taxes, and may even qualify for EITC's.
From a tax perspective they will be a drain on our system.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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A Presidential order is not presented to Congress/Senate. It is normally a way to implement a law that Congress has passed. This time it is to prevent implementation of said law.
Hm, well why are there people who think this still might not happen then?
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Old 11-24-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Per the Washington Post, 1.4% of schoolkids are undocumented.

There are approximately 3.3 million public school teachers in the US. That means 46,200 teaching jobs were created to teach these undocumented children. How many directly supporting jobs does that make? Principals, school secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, copier repairmen, etc. Plus the retail jobs created because those 40k+ teachers and the supporting staff have salaries to spend.

This pretty simple analysis is right in lne with the scientific studies that have been done on the economics of illegal immigration. From FactCheck.org, "The consensus that immigrant workers expand the U.S. economy is broad, and crosses party lines. In 2005, the White House of Republican President George W. Bush remarked on the fact in one of its annual economic reports to Congress"

"whether they’re legal ... or illegal ... really doesn’t matter for the purpose of answering our question: The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.
Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. "

And
"David Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote in an article for Commentary magazine in December:
Griswold: The addition of low-skilled immigrants expands the size of the overall economy, creating higher-wage openings for managers, craftsmen, accountants, and the like. The net result is a greater financial reward and relatively more opportunities for those Americans who finish high school."

And
"And a new study by economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute — a liberal think tank that has been funded in part by U.S. labor unions – says that:
Shierholz: In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs "

A small section of society - likely those without a high school degree - will face increased competition for jobs. At the same time, the numer of jobs will expand.
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