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Being required to give up personal freedoms that have no bearing on your job reeks of slavery.
We've already been over that and it's CLEARLY not slavery. Continuing to repeat it won't make it so.
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What's next?......no alcohol, no marijuana, no motorcycles, no extreme sports?
I don't know what's next. But as long as it's legal, employers can place whatever restrictions they want on their employees. In an employee can choose not to work for an employer that isn't tolerant of their use of drugs (or anything else), why is it so surprising to you that an employer can choose not to hire someone that uses drugs (or anything else)? Those two situations are two sides of the exact same coin.
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Just how far do you think your employer should be able to reach into your personal life?
If it's legal, as far as they want, while still being able to maintain the employees necessary to run their business. However, it doesn't man that employers are free from negative repercussions of their actions. If the employer pushes too far, they will be unlikely to attract and retain employees.
TaxPhd, as I said earlier we simply disagree on this and neither one of us is likely to convince the other. In general I'm fine with such libertarian views, but you seem to be on the edge of anarcho-capitalism. I definitely understand your point of view, and I think you understand mine, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
We've already been over that and it's CLEARLY not slavery. Continuing to repeat it won't make it so.
I don't know what's next. But as long as it's legal, employers can place whatever restrictions they want on their employees. In an employee can choose not to work for an employer that isn't tolerant of their use of drugs (or anything else), why is it so surprising to you that an employer can choose not to hire someone that uses drugs (or anything else)? Those two situations are two sides of the exact same coin.
If it's legal, as far as they want, while still being able to maintain the employees necessary to run their business. However, it doesn't man that employers are free from negative repercussions of their actions. If the employer pushes too far, they will be unlikely to attract and retain employees.
A hospital has every right not to hire anyone that is a smoker. It's a health care facility. Also it cost more to insure smokers I'm a x smoker so I have no problem with going to a smoke free hospital. Even visitors are banned from smokeing on hospital property.
I wish my company (we're electricians) would get rid of our smokers and never hire any more.
Why should they get to take 5-7 minute breaks every hour to puff down their poison while the other person/others are working on their tasks?
Over the course of the day that adds up to half an hour or more of lost production, money they're getting compensated for while returning nothing of value; basically stealing from the company.
It's not a slippery slope at all. If you want to smoke then go smoke on your own time at home and around your wife and kids. Don't do it while your co-workers are putting in honest time and effort trying to earn an honest and fair living.
You miussed the point. This thread is about employers that don't permit them to go smoke on their own time in their own home. That is the slippery slope, not what rules they set in the actual workplace.
A single-payer, universal system that is free at the point of use to all American citizens (and legal permanent residents who work and pay taxes) that takes employers out of the equation. That immediately renders any employer's cost argument moot.
How to punish smokers? Easy...do as they do in the UK. Tax the crap out of them and pass the collected tax revenue on to our universal healthcare system's coffers. Do the same with marijuana. And junk food. You can choose to smoke and eat garbage, but get ready to pay.
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