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They can do it legally and I would not want the power to be taken away from a company to fire people who don't want to work the holiday if the store is open. That decision has to remain with the company.
But the whole concept is disgusting. It wouldn't matter which day stores did this, the crowds would show. And it isn't shoppers asking stores to move the time up earlier and earlier - although that's exactly what the retailers would have us believe. It's the corporation thinking they'll have an edge if they open up their doors for the big sales earlier than the other stores, but not being willing to admit that it's about the almighty dollar. So they lie and say, "We're just giving consumers what they're asking for." Soon, we'll see some celebrate the holiday on Wednesday so their family members can get all the deals on Thursday and Friday. It's no longer the holiday that's important, but scoring the best deals.
I don't support it. I don't care if someone was giving away homes and cars for free, I won't ever shop to get a deal on Thanksgiving. I feel sorry for those who do not get to celebrate this important holiday the way it should be celebrated. Just another indication of how we've lost our way.
This is all nonsense. If retailers could be closed on Thanksgiving, and make up in sales on another day, they would. It costs retailers money to be open. Quite a bit of it.
The reality is that if a retailer doesn't open on Thanksgiving, the customers will go shop somewhere else and that retailer will lose out because that's what the greedy consumers want. They want their stuff, and they want it now.
It doesn't benefit a retailer to open on a day they would otherwise be closed and not having to pay wages and keep the lights on.
For the people that do not like to work nights, weekends, holidays; there are companies that are always traditionally closed. Those are the companies that people should seek out if they do not want to work on days that are important to them.
Generally people in this type of work know what they're getting into. It's just a shame that companies have become so much about making money that the employees don't even get themselves, and they're forced to sacrifice their familial relationships in the meantime. But of course if their families really cared about them, they'd change the celebration day or something so their loved one could be there.
When I worked in customer service we were absolutely open and quite busy during the holidays. I think many people fail to do proper research into a job before they apply for it.
No there are just plenty of people that think the rules and standards do not apply to them, just everybody else. I have worked with a lady that wanted to take spring break off to take her kids on vacation during tax season in an accounting firm, and was pissed that she was not allowed to do it.
Cops, Firefighters, EMTs, hospital staffs, hospitality industry (hotel, casinos, cruise ships, and restaurants), airline and airport staff, soldiers, oil field workers, over the road truck drivers, and plenty of other people work Thanksgiving and every other holiday out there, but they accept that as part of the job.
What makes retail workers special? Why should they be guaranteed holidays off? Especially when it is in demand from the customers that support their paychecks and ensure the company can pay them? When you take a job you should understand enough about the job and company to know what kind of hours and days you are expected to work.
Do employers have a right to fire for refusal to work? In France? No
In America ? Up in the air
What do employers do when u take away their right to hire and fire?
Offshore subcontract and hire illegals
Do employers have a right to fire for refusal to work? In France? No
In America ? Up in the air
In most states in the US it is not up in the air, it is clearly yes.
As for France, I do not know how bringing up a country where there have been riots in the streets due to no jobs and companies and the wealthy pulling out of the country is really going to help the argument.
In Mass there is no retail commerce on Thanksgiving except for places that sell prescription drugs and gasoline. The sales volume frankly is not there and yet people can just shop online anyway. Even if places could open it would be overtime, shorter hours and less sales so the benefit for a business is nil.
Long ago when I worked retail they used to give Easter off. Well I can tell you with years of being there that Easter is the slowest day of the whole year. the chain does not make a profit that day. Especially when in mass (I mentioned this on another thread) that because it is a sunday it automatically is time and a half. So logically it would make more sense to just close the place at least in this state as you would save capital by providing a holiday rather then paying overtime.
It reminds me of the state alcohol laws in Mass. For a long time they could not operate at all during sundays. Then it was and now they extended hours. At this point if anyone wants a drink they can find one. There is nothing really *extra* that they can do at this point. Sometimes scarcity can provide more demand. If a place is open all the time then where does the rush come from? Now if a place is open only for a given period then it provides opportunity.
I feel sorry for those who do not get to celebrate this important holiday the way it should be celebrated.
I see your point but nobody is forced to work retail. Thousands upon thousands of businesses close on holidays (and weekends) so work for one of them if working holidays and weekends doesn't appeal to you.
This is all nonsense. If retailers could be closed on Thanksgiving, and make up in sales on another day, they would. It costs retailers money to be open. Quite a bit of it.
The reality is that if a retailer doesn't open on Thanksgiving, the customers will go shop somewhere else and that retailer will lose out because that's what the greedy consumers want. They want their stuff, and they want it now.
It doesn't benefit a retailer to open on a day they would otherwise be closed and not having to pay wages and keep the lights on.
So in other words, its not the employers fault... its all of us. (well not me.. I don't buy stuff on the Holidays)
Black Friday is a day everyone works in retail, period. If you are a long term employee sometimes they will be flexible who works Black Friday, who works Christmas Eve etc. This is the norm, if you don't want to work it, someone else will.
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