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Old 11-27-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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Back then you'd be recruited right out of high school into a factory job. There you would receive training and stay for 30-40 years. At the end you'd be given a pension and a golden watch thanking you for your hard work and service.
If you went to college you'd be guaranteed a middle class job or a management job with little to no experience.
If you got a MBA you'd basically be qualified for a middle management/senior management job and the world would be your oyster.
Labor unions existed and job security was universal.
People back then dreamed of a better tomorrow. Sure history books say everyone constantly freaked out about nuclear war but lets be frank in saying that was mostly BS. It was slightly worrisome but nowhere near obsessive. The opportunities were endless and no job was a dead end.
The chrome studded cars, diners, and drive in theaters that no longer exist serviced people after a rough day on the job. People there would know your name and care enough to listen to you talk about your day.
Your neighbors weren't lawsuits waiting to happen and genuinely cared. If someone messed with your house the whole neighborhood would condemn whoever did it.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:21 AM
 
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Are you for real? Surely you just read this in a book and saw the TV show and didn't actually live through the 50's. In 1950 less than 10% of the population had Bachelor's degrees, and less than half had even graduated from high school. If a black/Jewish/Asian/any non-white person moved into a white neighborhood, the whole neighborhood would condemn whoever it was. There would be rocks, bullying, shunning, probably some vandalism and minor assault. Women belonged to the workforce, but were limited to jobs such as secretary, and were often fired when they got married, almost certainly if they got pregnant. Sexual harassment was almost acceptable, and in 1950 women made about half of what men made for the same job. In fact, discrimination was completely legal, with many job ads specifying that only men could apply. If people in the 50s dreamed of a better tomorrow, it was because their present sucked.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Are you for real? Surely you just read this in a book and saw the TV show and didn't actually live through the 50's. In 1950 less than 10% of the population had Bachelor's degrees, and less than half had even graduated from high school. If a black/Jewish/Asian/any non-white person moved into a white neighborhood, the whole neighborhood would condemn whoever it was. There would be rocks, bullying, shunning, probably some vandalism and minor assault. Women belonged to the workforce, but were limited to jobs such as secretary, and were often fired when they got married, almost certainly if they got pregnant. Sexual harassment was almost acceptable, and in 1950 women made about half of what men made for the same job. In fact, discrimination was completely legal, with many job ads specifying that only men could apply. If people in the 50s dreamed of a better tomorrow, it was because their present sucked.
Let's tear down your arguments shall we?
1. Because not everyone had a degree/diploma they were more valuable. They weren't just pieces of 30k toilet paper. They had genuine worth.
2. Ferguson riots, Oscar Grant riots, Trayvon Martin riots, Rodney King riots. See, now the shoe is on the other foot.
3. It's funny that most women now want to go back to their stay at home role (Stay-at-home mothers are the happiest: Women who don't return to work suffer less from feelings of boredom and worthlessness | Daily Mail Online) too bad that is no longer possible because we can't live on 1 wage anymore comfortably.
4. Discrimination still exists. Let's not try to sugar coat that BS.
5. You have a very pessimistic view of optimism. You're implying by proxy that global warming fears for instance are caused by happiness.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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The good old days weren't always good. Median income is actually higher today. And more of the jobs then were industrial, more dangerous. Also more pollution.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:34 AM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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Back then you'd be recruited right out of high school into a factory job. There you would receive training and stay for 30-40 years. At the end you'd be given a pension and a golden watch thanking you for your hard work and service.
That right there... CANNOT happen now, as manufacturing was forced offshore.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Probably not in my lifetime. Maybe if the trade deficit magically flips, then we have a chance. I think the 50-60s (I was around then) were also a time when US made product were synonymous with quality, chinese were selling low quality products, and Japan was playing catchup. Boy have things changed.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Is it a better job marker, when over the half the population is at home. Most women were stay at home moms back then. Nowadays, the labor force is much larger and has more women. The employment to population ratio is higher today than the 50's.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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The entry level was MUCH better.
Economies are so insanely complex that the brightest minds on earth can't really figure out all the moving parts. There are a few things that are pretty well understood.

One thing we lost from that era was a strong entry level (ie, the ability of a man of average intelligence with an average worth ethic to walk into an average job and earn an average living that was relatively high)

We definitely lost that when we shipped industry overseas.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: USA
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The entry level was MUCH better.
Economies are so insanely complex that the brightest minds on earth can't really figure out all the moving parts. There are a few things that are pretty well understood.

One thing we lost from that era was a strong entry level (ie, the ability of a man of average intelligence with an average worth ethic to walk into an average job and earn an average living that was relatively high)

We definitely lost that when we shipped industry overseas.

You have to have a highly specialized skillset if you want to earn a decent income today. The days of turn-a-bolt bob making a middle class wage are over.
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Old 11-27-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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Back then you'd be recruited right out of high school into a factory job. There you would receive training and stay for 30-40 years. At the end you'd be given a pension and a golden watch thanking you for your hard work and service.
If you went to college you'd be guaranteed a middle class job or a management job with little to no experience.
If you got a MBA you'd basically be qualified for a middle management/senior management job and the world would be your oyster.
Labor unions existed and job security was universal.
People back then dreamed of a better tomorrow. Sure history books say everyone constantly freaked out about nuclear war but lets be frank in saying that was mostly BS. It was slightly worrisome but nowhere near obsessive. The opportunities were endless and no job was a dead end.
The chrome studded cars, diners, and drive in theaters that no longer exist serviced people after a rough day on the job. People there would know your name and care enough to listen to you talk about your day.
Your neighbors weren't lawsuits waiting to happen and genuinely cared. If someone messed with your house the whole neighborhood would condemn whoever did it.
Factory jobs have gone offshore. Automation would've made some of those wages unsustainable for workers.

Yeah, too many people have a degree nowadays. I'm sure there's some overpopulation that's making things worse, as exponential growth has occurred since 60 years ago. They don't train anymore, hoping to pick out someone who's already trained.

MBAs actually meant more back then. Today, they still do, but I hear they're no longer as management focused. And it helps a lot coming from a top program, as I'm sure many "lesser" schools tried to sell their MBA programs in effort to cash in on the craze.


If we want to return to the 40s or 50s, as much as I hate to say this, a good chunk of the population has to die off. We'd still have the advancements of computers and software, but things are typically better for the survivors when you have the same # of resources for less people.
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