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Those examples you mentioned are nowhere near as addicting as smoking.
As I have stated, a person that starts at a young, influential age who hasn't fully mentally developed isn't "not smart enough." Perhaps you are enough to hire for your company if you contain so much bias and lack critical thinking with your extremely narrow view.
Um no. I hire intelligent people. DO intelligent people jump off buildings? Do they stand in front of traffic? DO they stand on rail tracks in front of a speeding locomotive? All these things are CHOICES and all of the above are dangerous ones. So why would i hire someone, stupid enough to not Know that smoking is bad for them, or to continue it despite Knowing those facts? I would never let any substance control me. How would i manage that? I would never start i the first place. Why wouldn't i start? I Know how to read...when i see a warning label that states a product causes cancer, i just might decide not to use that product. Thats why i NEVER EVER smoked in my life. Even when i was young, and "immature" as u put it. So if i was smart enough not to start using a filthy, disgusting, unhealthy product, why can't others be. I would NEVER Knowingly hire a smoker.
Spoken like a true judgmental person who has never been addicted to anything (or at least isn't aware of his/her addiction). Depending on whose research you believe, nicotine is either the most addictive substance ever used, or second only to heroin. Consider heroin addicts and what they will do to attain the drug. They will sell their bodies, steal from their friends, family, live under a bridge or in their car, give up their kids, anything it takes to get their next fix.
And nicotine is either more addictive than that, or almost, at the least. Not only that, cigs are easily accessible and relatively cheap. Addiction is not about willpower. If one actually talks to addicts, and I have talked to many bulimics, who are addicted to FOOD, they say they want to stop binging but they can't. Stopping smoking is something they have to do with outside help and resources, in most cases. The smoker has to be ready to stop for his/her own reasons, and then and only then can he/she even make the attempt. Many fail the first, or even multiple times.
A smoker can't just quit at the drop of a hat. Because it's an addiction. That is what addiction is-an inability to stop the substance the person is addicted to even if they want to stop. How many of you are addicted to caffeine? Caffeine is addictive. It's weakly addictive, but it is the same principle although the health issues aren't present, of course. 80+% of Americans chug that coffee in the morning. Stopping suddenly causes vicious headaches and irritability, among other things.
Before you, or anyone bash smokers mercilessly for smoking, consider this: what are you addicted to? Just about everyone is addicted to something, even though it may not be as obvious as cigarettes. Many people can't stay off their stupid smartphone for ONE HOUR. One hour. That is certainly not healthy behavior either. No one is perfect. Qualified people deserve a job. People in glass houses. . .
Then they should never have started in the first place. Who forced them to do that? They werent addicted before they started? I NEVER started because i Know its harmful. If someone doesnt KNOW what i Knew despite the warning labels, grade school health classes, etc., Or Knows its harmful and chooses to start anyway, well then Im smarter than them and wont hire them. I want to hire people who are smarter than me, not less smart than me. And Im not a genius, but I Know that when a warning label Says XYZ product causes cancer, i may just be better off without Said product, LOL...not going out on Too Much Of A Limb there, LOL...and i am not addicted to anything. I dont own a smartphone. There is nothing i cant do without (except Water, Air, Food, Sex...LOL, just kidding on the last One).
I dont let products control me. I agree on the phone thing. Thats why cell-phones should be banned in most workplaces.
Um no. I hire intelligent people. DO intelligent people jump off buildings? Do they stand in front of traffic? DO they stand on rail tracks in front of a speeding locomotive? All these things are CHOICES and all of the above are dangerous ones. So why would i hire someone, stupid enough to not Know that smoking is bad for them, or to continue it despite Knowing those facts? I would never let any substance control me. How would i manage that? I would never start i the first place. Why wouldn't i start? I Know how to read...when i see a warning label that states a product causes cancer, i just might decide not to use that product. Thats why i NEVER EVER smoked in my life. Even when i was young, and "immature" as u put it. So if i was smart enough not to start using a filthy, disgusting, unhealthy product, why can't others be. I would NEVER Knowingly hire a smoker.
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Then they should never have started in the first place. Who forced them to do that? They werent addicted before they started? I NEVER started because i Know its harmful. If someone doesnt KNOW what i Knew despite the warning labels, grade school health classes, etc., Or Knows its harmful and chooses to start anyway, well then Im smarter than them and wont hire them. I want to hire people who are smarter than me, not less smart than me. And Im not a genius, but I Know that when a warning label Says XYZ product causes cancer, i may just be better off without Said product, LOL...not going out on Too Much Of A Limb there, LOL...and i am not addicted to anything. I dont own a smartphone. There is nothing i cant do without (except Water, Air, Food, Sex...LOL, just kidding on the last One).
I dont let products control me. I agree on the phone thing. Thats why cell-phones should be banned in most workplaces.
You two clearly fail to see the different walks of life people come from. Environment is everything. I would be more than happy to never work under someone that is too small minded to understand anything but their view and the coddled environment they were likely raised in. People nowadays... Unless the person is blowing smoke directly into your face, it isn't your business. Would you like to be approached every time someone finds your habits annoying? It is going to be fun when the tides turn on employers and they are the ones getting rejected left and right. We truly live in a generation of whiners who want to feel important by rallying on any agenda the media tells you to care about. Newsflash: You will get cancer from a million other sources if it is meant to be.
You two clearly fail to see the different walks of life people come from. Smoking is stupid. I would be more than happy to never work under someone that is too small minded to understand anything but their view and the coddled environment they were likely raised in. People nowadays... It is certainly your business. Would you like to be approached every time someone finds your habits annoying? It is going to be fun when the tides turn on employers and they are the ones getting rejected left and right. We truly live in a generation of whiners who want to feel important by rallying on any agenda the media tells you to care about. Newsflash: You will get cancer from smoking, so i agree its a dumb habit.
I didnt grow up coddled, for the record. And it isnt my business, unless i have to hire them. In at-will employment, I can hire who i wish for my private business. News flash: smoking is a disgusting, stupid habit. If you're not smart enough to Know that, then you are not a very smart person (no offense). Anyone who doesnt Know this basic fact that most 5th grade-schoolers Know, is severely lacking in the intelligence department.
Um, i dont have annoying habits. In if i had one, that caused me to stink, or caused me to increase my employer's health care costs, I would be perfectly fine with them not hiring me. Smoking is one habit that makes no sense from any angle. It stinks, its unhealthy, causes health problems, lowers productivity, makes people out of breath, etc., etc., etc.. There is not 1 positive aspect of it. I dont hire smokers, dont allow it on company property for any reason, by anyone (including parking lots). And i have more applicants than I can use, thank you. My employees that I do end up hiring, are quite Happy in this environment. I dont hire addicts of any kind.
And Drinking is completely different. There are exceptions, but most people can Drink 2 Beers, once in a while, without having to do so due to dependency. (Of course there are exceptions).
On the other hand, while there may be a few exceptions, most smokers aren't that way at all. Common sense, they should never have started. Tobacco should be banned in the US..simple as that.
Tobacco should be banned in the US..simple as that.
This is all I can agree with. Though it won't happen in our lifetime. I believe employers have become far too power hungry. Ordinary people wanting to feel like big shots because they can tell others what they can and cannot do. Too bad our laws aren't setup to combat this.
What's next in the power grab game? Which agenda will you jump on? "Employees may only eat 500 calories for lunch consisting of veggies, whole grain bread and 2 ounces of lean meat." The excuse could be to lower insurance rates due to the obesity epidemic.
Then they should never have started in the first place. Who forced them to do that? They werent addicted before they started? I NEVER started because i Know its harmful. If someone doesnt KNOW what i Knew despite the warning labels, grade school health classes, etc., Or Knows its harmful and chooses to start anyway, well then Im smarter than them and wont hire them. I want to hire people who are smarter than me, not less smart than me. And Im not a genius, but I Know that when a warning label Says XYZ product causes cancer, i may just be better off without Said product, LOL...not going out on Too Much Of A Limb there, LOL...and i am not addicted to anything. I dont own a smartphone. There is nothing i cant do without (except Water, Air, Food, Sex...LOL, just kidding on the last One).
I dont let products control me. I agree on the phone thing. Thats why cell-phones should be banned in most workplaces.
I guess you never read Malcolm Gladwell's The Tipping Point. He's a pretty smart guy with some very interesting books on human behavior to his credit, and he pretty clearly outlined the reasons why teenagers still start smoking today even with all the information out there about how dangerous smoking is. Obviously, you were not subject to those reasons, but not everyone is you. Isn't it kind of short-sighted to believe that just because YOU view the world a certain way, everyone else automatically should see things as you do? That's just not reality.
I no longer smoke, but I once did, and I can tell you that Gladwell hit the nail on the head when I look back to those foolish days when I actually forced myself to inhale the cigarette smoke, before the addiction took hold. I wasn't worried about cancer when I was 16. I was worried about having friends, trying to fit in. I wasn't good enough for the nicer kids to hang out with, but the "bad" kids accepted me. They smoked, and I smoked with them because it meant I belonged. To most teenagers, acceptance and peer pressure are very powerful. You apparently did not experience that or it did not apply to your situation for whatever reasons, and life worked out well for you, but again, we are not all you.
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Then they should never have started in the first place. Who forced them to do that? They werent addicted before they started? I NEVER started because i Know its harmful. If someone doesnt KNOW what i Knew despite the warning labels, grade school health classes, etc., Or Knows its harmful and chooses to start anyway, well then Im smarter than them and wont hire them. I want to hire people who are smarter than me, not less smart than me. And Im not a genius, but I Know that when a warning label Says XYZ product causes cancer, i may just be better off without Said product, LOL...not going out on Too Much Of A Limb there, LOL...and i am not addicted to anything. I dont own a smartphone. There is nothing i cant do without (except Water, Air, Food, Sex...LOL, just kidding on the last One).
I dont let products control me. I agree on the phone thing. Thats why cell-phones should be banned in most workplaces.
Goody for you. Because my abusive mother threw me out of the house right after my 15th birthday, I was around a bunch of smokers, and I started smoking. I had to get my own apartment and support myself. So I did, and never moved back home. It was hard, very hard. Smoking was the least of my worries at the time. And I stayed away from drugs and alcohol. I started college very early (graduated with honors too), worked, but found it impossible to kick the butt habit for many years. Eventually I did, but then I went back to it and stopped again. Since then, it has been a merry-go-round of stopping and starting. Many, if not most smokers, start when they are teenagers, as I did. Teenagers don't always have the best judgment. I hope your holier-than-thou attitude makes you feel better and so much smarter than people who smoke. After all, smokers are stupid in your view, right? As they say, "Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins." I do my best not to judge others. After all, I don't know their circumstances or what they're going through.
This is all I can agree with. Though it won't happen in our lifetime. I believe employers have become far too power hungry. Ordinary people wanting to feel like big shots because they can tell others what they can and cannot do. Too bad our laws aren't setup to combat this.
What's next in the power grab game? Which agenda will you jump on? "Employees may only eat 500 calories for lunch consisting of veggies, whole grain bread and 2 ounces of lean meat." The excuse could be to lower insurance rates due to the obesity epidemic.
Yes that is coming. My employer told me (and all workers) that we had to go through a health screening, go on-line and answer a health questionnaire and talk to a health coach or pay an extra $600 per year for insurance. They word it as a discount off the new rate.
Yes that is coming. My employer told me (and all workers) that we had to go through a health screening, go on-line and answer a health questionnaire and talk to a health coach or pay an extra $600 per year for insurance. They word it as a discount off the new rate.
Many companies are making sky high record profits. It isn't the cost of insurance these corporations care about, it is the control and power. All they had to do was mask it as being for financial reasons, and it became legal to discriminate. We could have fought against it, but instead many employees said "well let their heads roll because I don't smoke." Now everyone is about to pay the price of ever increasing power and control. The poop has started rolling downhill, and it isn't going to stop until everyone is oppressed. It'll be too late to turn back then.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
This is all I can agree with. Though it won't happen in our lifetime. I believe employers have become far too power hungry. Ordinary people wanting to feel like big shots because they can tell others what they can and cannot do. Too bad our laws aren't setup to combat this.
What's next in the power grab game? Which agenda will you jump on? "Employees may only eat 500 calories for lunch consisting of veggies, whole grain bread and 2 ounces of lean meat." The excuse could be to lower insurance rates due to the obesity epidemic.
Not a bad idea.
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