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Old 05-01-2015, 08:56 PM
 
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That's why we hired you youngsters. Good management is the ability to surround yourself with knowledgeable people. It doesn't mean being proficient in all aspects of a particular job or profession. It does mean putting together a good team.

If I can make a spreadsheet, I would expect my boss making far more money to be able to do the same

Basically, you are implying managers are USELESS (Which most are). You can still do the job being proficient in many aspects WHILE creating a good team around you. Throwing all the work onto others and creating a good team around you is not a full time job.


And thats the problem here. There is a far more demand placed on millennial's skillets as opposed to the people we have had around the workforce for years. And on top of that, they want you to do it all for peanuts while the old folk glide to retirement throwing the work onto people? Pleasee..
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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If I can make a spreadsheet, I would expect my boss making far more money to be able to do the same

Basically, you are implying managers are USELESS (Which most are). You can still do the job being proficient in many aspects WHILE creating a good team around you. Throwing all the work onto others and creating a good team around you is not a full time job.


And thats the problem here. There is a far more demand placed on millennial's skillets as opposed to the people we have had around the workforce for years. And on top of that, they want you to do it all for peanuts while the old folk glide to retirement throwing the work onto people? Pleasee..
Yes, delegating tasks and creating a good team CAN be a full-time job. Your lack of business common sense is pretty evident (yes, I'm a millennial). Many managers and CEO can't do a spreadsheet. Why would they spend time doing that?
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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Yes, delegating tasks and creating a good team CAN be a full-time job. Your lack of business common sense is pretty evident (yes, I'm a millennial). Many managers and CEO can't do a spreadsheet. Why would they spend time doing that?
Yes, I suspect Facebook has evolved beyond Zuckerberg's ability to code it any longer, or it will have in the next five years.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Oh God, more 'bootstrap' BS from the people who made sure leave nothing for the Millenials to give a crap about. The people b*tching about Millenials will likely be dead and gone long before Millenials reach the same age and it will be up to Millenials to clean up the mess. Which they probably won't but I don't blame them.

Everything and everyone is for sale and right now those who have the means are hoarding like hell while the ones who don't have the means but see the future all the same are bumping up History Channel and NatGeo ratings by learning 'survivalist' skills. The rest of us are numbly going through the motions waiting for the other foot to drop.

Personally I think the US has officially embraced all the traits of a third world country. If you ain't got yours by now, you're never gonna get it.

Millenials are screwed, plain and simple. They got their Iphones though, so. There's that.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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While I am part of this generation, I consider myself to be professional. I get disgusted when I see people of my generation who show up unprofessional. I want to tell them how they are setting themselves up to fail. Not my responsibility to take on the world's problems.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Not my responsibility to take on the world's problems.
Interesting statement considering it is completely divorced from the sentences that precede it.

Also makes you as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:48 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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If I can make a spreadsheet, I would expect my boss making far more money to be able to do the same

Basically, you are implying managers are USELESS (Which most are). You can still do the job being proficient in many aspects WHILE creating a good team around you. Throwing all the work onto others and creating a good team around you is not a full time job.


And thats the problem here. There is a far more demand placed on millennial's skillets as opposed to the people we have had around the workforce for years. And on top of that, they want you to do it all for peanuts while the old folk glide to retirement throwing the work onto people? Pleasee..
Therein lies the problem with you and those of your ilk. You have no conception of what management, especially upper management, entails but you expect! Easy and arrogant to do when you don't have a clue. So here's a clue you might want to consider. By the time I became a military officer in the 60s and 70s, a police sergeant in the 80s and, as a civilian, an upper level manager in the 90s and 2000sl, I had something - several things in fact - you lack. Chief among them were knowledge and experience.

Millennial's skillets? Y'all cook?
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Burnsville, Minnesota
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Therein lies the problem with you and those of your ilk. You have no conception of what management, especially upper management, entails but you expect! Easy and arrogant to do when you don't have a clue. So here's a clue you might want to consider. By the time I became a military officer in the 60s and 70s, a police sergeant in the 80s and, as a civilian, an upper level manager in the 90s and 2000sl, I had something - several things in fact - you lack. Chief among them were knowledge and experience.

Millennial's skillets? Y'all cook?
I'm pretty sure it was a figure of speech that wasn't meant to be taken literally.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Therein lies the problem with you and those of your ilk. You have no conception of what management, especially upper management, entails but you expect! Easy and arrogant to do when you don't have a clue. So here's a clue you might want to consider. By the time I became a military officer in the 60s and 70s, a police sergeant in the 80s and, as a civilian, an upper level manager in the 90s and 2000sl, I had something - several things in fact - you lack. Chief among them were knowledge and experience.

Millennial's skillets? Y'all cook?
Part of the problem is the lack of opportunities for millennials to obtain that knowledge and experience. Since when did an entry level job require years of experience? And once again, our K-12 educational system IS A JOKE.

For what it's worth, I am a millennial, and I have never had an employer discount my skillset. In most cases, they wanted to know how they could find more like me. You know what though? I get sick of baby boomers who expect everything to be handed to them, without having to put in some effort on their part. Case in point, someone had to train me. What's stopping some of these baby boomer employers from doing the same? Oh ya, your retirement... Which has been doing great, thanks to your generation's efforts to convert America into some form of socialist banana republic.

When the stock market crashes, America will have nothing left. There will not be anyone left who even knows how to put America back together. Only a generation texting and tweeting who is to blame, and who should have to fix the mess. And that will be your legacy.

So you see, we all can play the intergenerational blame game. The only ones who will benefit are politicians, who do best when Americans are busy pointing their fingers at one another.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:35 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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They are prepared. Just not prepared to be treated like CRAP is all. Alot of these milennials coming out of college are whiz's on the computer. Some of these boomer we still got in the job market at high positions can't even make a spreadsheet
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Part of the problem is the lack of opportunities for millennials to obtain that knowledge and experience. Since when did an entry level job require years of experience? And once again, our K-12 educational system IS A JOKE.

For what it's worth, I am a millennial, and I have never had an employer discount my skillset. In most cases, they wanted to know how they could find more like me. You know what though? I get sick of baby boomers who expect everything to be handed to them, without having to put in some effort on their part. Case in point, someone had to train me. What's stopping some of these baby boomer employers from doing the same? Oh ya, your retirement... Which has been doing great, thanks to your generation's efforts to convert America into some form of socialist banana republic.

When the stock market crashes, America will have nothing left. There will not be anyone left who even knows how to put America back together. Only a generation texting and tweeting who is to blame, and who should have to fix the mess. And that will be your legacy.

So you see, we all can play the intergenerational blame game. The only ones who will benefit are politicians, who do best when Americans are busy pointing their fingers at one another.
Oh, bother! More "Blame the Boomers for everything, including your own failures."

For whatever it's worth, I mentored dozens of employees over the years and saw many climb the ladder of success, in part because of what I passed on to them. I considered that to be a serious, imperative function of being an officer/leader/manager.
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