So You Want A $15 Minimum Wage? / What About All of Us Already at $12? (job, career)
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Some day, perhaps, Americans will re-learn what the Chinese learned 30 years ago--that the road to prosperity is through capitalism and free enterprise, not socialism and universal poverty.
LOL!
What rock do you live under?!
The Chinese operate entire state run enterprises to compete on the open market. They have a state run command economy.
Fast food, grocery stores operate on razor thin margins. With the cost of human labor skyrocketing it will absolutely be cheaper to automate. At least I won't have to worry about a disgruntled minimum wager messing with my food.
MY BS Meter is off the scale on this one.. so post where you live interesting you hide that ..
I can believe it. I live in Vermont, where the minimum wage is $9.05 per hour. Until last year, New York's minimum wage was $7.25 per hour, so a lot of people from little Adirondack towns commute long distances to work minimum-wage jobs in Vermont. A few 1-star nursing homes in my area are so desperate for employees that they will cover licensing fees and ferry rides for New York employees.
So lets say that I pay you 4X the minimum wage. What benefit is that to me? What value do you bring to the table? In every industry I have worked in the employee would need to bring in 3X the pay and benefits that I am paying them in order to stay profitable. I would feel a bit embarrassed if I was not bringing any value to the table. You want more money? Create more value.
I don't know any adults that work for minimum wage as a primary job. My kids have friends that work minimum wage jobs. They are just starting out in the work force. That is how things work. You get that first job and work your way up. As the worker increases in value the employer pays them more. Over time the employee realizes that these small increases are not going to get them wear they want to be in life and they decide that 1. I need to learn a new skill that an employer is willing to pay me for. 2. I need to go to school so someone will pay me for my education. or 3. I need to start my own business with what I know now.
Even at the higher end of the pay scale this works out. I want more money but the only way that will happen is I need to learn a new skill. I am training right now for a job that will increase my pay in a big way. I also have started my own business.
The benefit to you is a lower effective tax rate. The benefit to the economy is more disposable income for families. Meaning a more vibrant economy.....
As per the bolded...YOURE the hypothetical employer here. Im doing the job you hired me to do, if that doesnt add enough value for you then guess whos fault that is....
Instead of legislating how much an employer should pay an employee how about changing the business climate so that better employers will want to expand here, open up shop here. I am saying here, because I live within commuting range of Los Angeles where the $15 pay fiasco is taking place.
Obama and the Dems doesn't get it that when companies compete, salaries go up. Right now there are too few companies that competes for workers. Most of them can freely outsource and have tax incentives to hire low level jobs. Why should they up the salaries in this non-competitive landscape?
Income stagnation is the end result of companies not having to compete for workers.
I agree that minimum wage as it is is not a lot of money and not enough to live on with one job.
However I don't think minimum wage was ever intended to be enough for someone to live on well with that being their only income. As long as I can remember most minimum wage jobs have been fairly low-skill and low-education requirements, a lot of them filled with young people just starting out or as fill-in jobs. I've never thought of them as being meant to sustain a person as a career for years and years. Do your time in the minimum wage job then look for something better paying or go back to school to become qualified for a better paying job.
OF course it's not that simple now with a poor economy, too many people, too few jobs, and too many unscrupulous business owners looking to game the system in their favor.
... and watch your customer traffic fall like a rock. Many people enjoy interfacing with another human being when doing business. If there was a workerless restaurant where robots took orders, prepared food and served you, it would be a boring and lifeless experience. No thanks.
Given the choice between being served by a robot or a person, I would choose whichever establishment had better prices. If people really cared more about quality of service/product than price, Walmart would not exist.
... and watch your customer traffic fall like a rock. Many people enjoy interfacing with another human being when doing business. If there was a workerless restaurant where robots took orders, prepared food and served you, it would be a boring and lifeless experience. No thanks.
No....
If we are talking fast food, people WANT those experiences to be accurate and, well, fast. I don't go to Burger King for an exciting experience.
Self checkout lanes are constantly in use.
I think that people value accuracy and speed over human interaction.
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Not by choice, I prefer real clerk to checkout items.
Your argument is that more people use it so they prefer it? They took the option away, one person for four machines.
There are more low wage workers now, must be they prefer working low wage jobs right?
Then again, some of us prefer the machines. I am not anti-social by any means, but having the cashier give me the same canned, meaningless chatter such as "did you find everything" or "How is your day going so far" is annoying. For some reason I only find this in the supermarkets. When it comes to fast food, you are lucky if they even acknowledge your existence, and rarely even thank you or wish you a good day. Most will just hand you the food and turn away.
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