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I feel the post office gravy train is on it's way out. It's one of the last bastions of over inflated union wages in America.
You should visit Illinois. The state is bankrupt by government union workers and their obscene pensions and everyone else is expected to pay obscene taxes to support it.
Lol! Sorry, but you are probably not tough enough for America and our fact skirting, insulting, Euro-bashing, blame the victim mentality, high on rhetoric yet low on substance, ways!
In addition to my other post regarding America's attitudes against the poor, disabled and immigrants not to mention our ridiculous homicide rates via firearms, THESE POSTS are the real reason no Europeans want to emigrate to here!
Do you really wanna make a few more bucks an hour just to deal with what you see in this thread EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE!
I would gladly take a PAY CUT just to be around more intelligent and less obnoxious people and also have free health care.
Too bad no southern Euro countries speak enough English for me because I don't want to live with freezing winters! I guess I could learn another language but why bother? I'm an American.
Ha, well I think the guy is a troll (or he got mad at me for cornering him)
Anyways, that's an interesting point of view (assuming that you are mostly serious). I always thought that in a reasonably high-paying job, an American would be able to "isolate" themselves from the downsides (e.g. live in a gated community and not hang out in dangerous suburbs etc.).
While you may have certain social problems in America, do you think you could handle true northern disappointment (trademark), which is having plans and dreams about how nice life could be, but having to abandon all of them because the government prohibits everything or taxes you to death, and it is more comfortable to stay in a 9 to 5 job repeating the same basic stuff over again every day? You think you could handle that for the rest of your life?
No. I look at the 60-80 hour work weeks I pull, the 40% tax rate
How so?
$57k in US dollars = 53k euros, for which the marginal tax rate in Finland is 21%.
The social security tax is 2%.
The highest tax rate is 31%, and that's only for euros earned over 90K.
If you're including health insurance and local/municipal taxes in your 40% figure, be aware that in the US those are very hefty also. From the information you've given, your total tax/health/ss outlay here wouldn't be much lighter if any.
And your unemployment, sick leave, and paid holiday benefits are way sweeter than in the US.
Pay the postal workers. That is a demanding job these days, delivering the mail and dealing with the public, dogs and weather. If anything, I think they should get a raise! Postal workers/mail deliverers, are way under appreciated. People now days are just plain rude. Postal workers do not have an easy job to say the least.
Postal workers get maximum security, early retirement and great benefits. Those are almost priceless today. As far as middle managers, they are usually retained to have someone to blame when anything goes wrong. A wise boss has a whole stable of them as sacrificial lambs.
Mailman gets 57k (if that's true) plus benefits, credit union etc. It is because of those benefits people take those jobs. I would double check those figures.
We have politicians who want to turn US into what you are describing, and I am advocating the formation lynch mobs to deal with these politicians !
Master's degree in engineering plus management skills, kid 57k is for college drop outs. 57k is entry level for Master's degree in engineering If you move here, and work in your profession you will make double that with 5 years of US experience.
I am a software engineer. Computer programmer... I make more then 100k. I have a Masters, but it's not very good, when I tried to wipe myself with it, the paper was not so soft
No. I look at the 60-80 hour work weeks I pull, the 40% tax rate, the sky-high rent that I pay, the fact that I am 32 years old and have to seriously evaluate each month whether I can afford to buy new clothes.
What company even allows you pulling 80-hour work weeks?
Työaikalain mukaan ylityötä saadaan teettää enintään 138 tuntia neljän kuukauden ajanjakson aikana, kuitenkin enintään 250 tuntia kalenterivuodessa.
Because if you do 60-hour weeks, you override the legal overtime cap by a whopping 222 hours every four-month period, or 638 hours annually. That's so illegal.
Ylityötunneista maksetaan aina korotettua palkkaa. Vuorokautisen säännöllisen työajan ylittävältä kahdelta tunnilta tulee työaikalain mukaan maksaa 50 %:lla korotettu palkka ja seuraavilta tunneilta 100 %:lla korotettu palkka.
And if you are in the 9th decile like you say, you have to earn around €60k annually, especially with all that illegal overtime which pays 150% or 200% your normal salary. Ok, so your tax rate is 35.35%, you taking home €38800, or €3232 monthly. So how can you claim you cannot afford new clothes? After all, you must spend very little money as you are working all the time.
Työaikalain mukaan ylityötä saadaan teettää enintään 138 tuntia neljän kuukauden ajanjakson aikana, kuitenkin enintään 250 tuntia kalenterivuodessa.
Because if you do 60-hour weeks, you override the legal overtime cap by a whopping 222 hours every four-month period, or 638 hours annually. That's so illegal.
Ylityötunneista maksetaan aina korotettua palkkaa. Vuorokautisen säännöllisen työajan ylittävältä kahdelta tunnilta tulee työaikalain mukaan maksaa 50 %:lla korotettu palkka ja seuraavilta tunneilta 100 %:lla korotettu palkka.
And if you are in the 9th decile like you say, you have to earn around €60k annually, especially with all that illegal overtime which pays 150% or 200% your normal salary. Ok, so your tax rate is 35.35%, you taking home €38800, or €3232 monthly. So how can you claim you cannot afford new clothes? After all, you must spend very little money as you are working all the time.
I think that in €38800 you added an extra digit without noticing it. €3232 monthly
My question is: Is the Businessinsider article true? Should I immediately move to the U.S. and become a mailman who probably works shorter hours than I currently do, makes more than I do after taxes, and has lower living costs than I do.
That's your choice isn't it? Why ask this in a forum where no one knows you.
A Mailman in the US makes more than a middle manager in the U.S Im a supervisor at a fortune 500 company and I make less than a mailman with a few years experience does.
Where is the justification in that? They deliver mail for god sakes!!!
95% of the mail I get is junk I don't need nor want. Catalogs coupes, news magazines I didn't order etc. My prescription mess come by mail. Mailman dropped a package on the street half a mile away, the homeowner there called and I picked it up my self. Idiots in a job that makes no sense in a world of emails.
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If you move here, and work in your profession you will make double that with 5 years of US experience. 
