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Old 12-18-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Managers: if the current boss of your candidate asks you not to hire the candidate (as the boss still needs the high performing candidate), what do you do? Do you sympathize with the boss and give the candidate as a gift to the fellow manager (without the candidate's consent), or compete with him for the best talent?
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Internal transfer or external candidate?
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Take them. In my experience if a manager wont let an employee go its because the employee is actually doing all the work and the manager has no idea how to do the employees job.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Internal transfer or external candidate?
external. Another company. You and the current manager have never met before, or maybe met superficially on a convention or something.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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I would make the candidate an offer unless there was some near future potential benefit to me or my company from doing otherwise.


If the current manager wants to keep the candidate let them make them a better offer.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:56 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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external. Another company. You and the current manager have never met before, or maybe met superficially on a convention or something.

You hire them. There may be downstream ramifications if you're in the same industry.


Bottom line, managers are supposed to foster growth in their employees. This one doesn't sound like he knows what that means.




Having said that:
I worked for a company many years ago that lost a bunch of Young Turks to a direct competitor. It took 20 years but that company bought out the competitor and every single one of those guys who had left (who were still there) and had moved up the corporate ladder got fired the day the deal was closed.


Revenge is a dish best served cold.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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external. Another company. You and the current manager have never met before, or maybe met superficially on a convention or something.
Make an offer. The candidate has reasons for wanting to move, and the other manager doesn't own them.

It's different with an internal candidate, where it's bad form to poach from another manager against their express wishes.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I didn't realize that trying your best to earn a living was something that deserved revenge.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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You hire them. There may be downstream ramifications if you're in the same industry.


Bottom line, managers are supposed to foster growth in their employees. This one doesn't sound like he knows what that means.




Having said that:
I worked for a company many years ago that lost a bunch of Young Turks to a direct competitor. It took 20 years but that company bought out the competitor and every single one of those guys who had left (who were still there) and had moved up the corporate ladder got fired the day the deal was closed.


Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It took 20 years though of gainful employer to be fired. Not much in the revenge category. They likely hurt themselves in letting them go if that was the reason for the firing.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:14 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I didn't realize that trying your best to earn a living was something that deserved revenge.


This company was real big on loyalty.
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