The STEM crisis is the biggest hoax of the past few years (2015, middle class)
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physics is pretty useful. chemistry is useful but not as a stand alone degree. I had to take quite a bit of chemistry as a chemical engineer but then at the upper division it was more thermodynamics, physical chemistry, heat transfer etc.
I wonder if part of the problem is what is passing for STEM these days, its like people are getting a cisco cert and that seems to count as "stem". I get that its hard but its not exactly a PhD in physics hard.
I think the problem is that the engineering and science fields have not kept a tight noose around the field and now you have people categorizing insects or counting fish counting as "stem" or some other such thing. Not exactly the same thing as designing an infrared sensor that goes on a satellite or a new super explosive with roots in biochemistry.
People need to make sure they are going to ranked schools with tight controls on their degree programs if they want to go into stem.
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Originally Posted by patheticpeter
The most popular STEM degree, biology, is useless. A lot of science degrees are useless. It should be TEM not STEM.
According to John Miano in his book Sold Out the "Stem Crisis" is a scam perpetuated by Microsoft. They create this artificial shortage to justify raising the limit on the H-1b visa. Remember that Microsoft is a software company. Depressing salaries across the board is part of their cost control strategy.
This post sums nails it right on the head. Microsoft, along with other software companies and the politicians they buy off are the ones who preach this nonsense. This is the kind of capitalism they want to engage in, and has nothing to do with an American shortage. I know many people who were excellent in the IT field for years who cannot even receive a callback, believe me they exist.
Another thing is Microsoft also has certs they need to sell so they can make even more money!!
This post sums nails it right on the head. Microsoft, along with other software companies and the politicians they buy off are the ones who preach this nonsense. This is the kind of capitalism they want to engage in, and has nothing to do with an American shortage. I know many people who were excellent in the IT field for years who cannot even receive a callback, believe me they exist.
Another thing is Microsoft also has certs they need to sell so they can make even more money!!
physics is pretty useful. chemistry is useful but not as a stand alone degree. I had to take quite a bit of chemistry as a chemical engineer but then at the upper division it was more thermodynamics, physical chemistry, heat transfer etc.
I wonder if part of the problem is what is passing for STEM these days, its like people are getting a cisco cert and that seems to count as "stem". I get that its hard but its not exactly a PhD in physics hard.
I think the problem is that the engineering and science fields have not kept a tight noose around the field and now you have people categorizing insects or counting fish counting as "stem" or some other such thing. Not exactly the same thing as designing an infrared sensor that goes on a satellite or a new super explosive with roots in biochemistry.
People need to make sure they are going to ranked schools with tight controls on their degree programs if they want to go into stem.
Definitely part of the problem. Mechanical engineering has been good to me thusfar. But I know people in IT and microbiology who haven't had the same experience at all.
Another thing is Microsoft also has certs they need to sell so they can make even more money!!
Microsoft certs are a scam in my field. Do they exist? Yes. Does anyone I know have one? NOPE.
I've worked in tech for 18 years without a single cert to my name. It's easy enough to figure out in an interview whether someone actually knows anything about database programming.
Microsoft certs are a scam in my field. Do they exist? Yes. Does anyone I know have one? NOPE.
I've worked in tech for 18 years without a single cert to my name. It's easy enough to figure out in an interview whether someone actually knows anything about database programming.
The town I live in you cannot even advance without a cert anymore. Even non-IT jobs at IT places want you to at least have Security + certification, even for clerk jobs. What makes it even worse is many employers will not even think about hiring you if you have certs, degree and no experience. To them all that education is useless without the certs. "Entry-level" jobs require five years experience in many places. At this point I am thinking about switching fields yet again!!
I wonder about that... seems like with people on CD talking about six figures a lot, they also complain about having to work 60 hour/weeks...
Yeah....I think most people on CD claiming to make six figures are full of beans. The average individual income in this country is around $30k/yr and the average household income is around $51k/yr yet there magically seems to be tons of people on this site making double or triple the aforementioned figures.
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