Screwed Over By Foreign Workers & Corporations The Dream Is Over (temporary, middle class)

[guesthouston]

INTEL WILL LAYOFF 12,000 AMERICAN WORKERS AFTER REQUESTING 14,523 FOREIGN WORKERS

Intel Lays Off 12,000 After Seeking Visas to Import 14,523 Foreign Professionals Since 2010 - Breitbart

Intel requested 8,351 H-1B visas and 5,172 permanent green cards for foreign workers between 2010-2015, citing that they could not find enough skilled American workers. Now that many of Intel's requests have been approved the company plans a massive layoff of American employees.

Intel follows a national trend by many technology companies such as Disney and Abbot Laboratories to use visas like the H-1B visa to import cheaper labor instead of hiring American workers. In some cases, the employees were forced to train their replacements in order to receive their severance pay.

Intel was one of the technology companies involved in the 2013 Gang of Eight bill that promoted increasing the H-1B visa caps.

A 2011 study by the U.S. Government Accountability Office exposed how the H-1B visa was being exploited and showed that there was very little oversight of the program. According to the report the government doesn't even know how many workers are actually in the U.S. on H-1B visas at any given time.

[margaretBartle]

Originally Posted by NYC_transplant_in_Houston

a considerable portion of our labor force which barely puts in effort which was a major contributing factors in the downfall of Circuit City and CompUSA.

I'm not quite clear on this. Are you saying that Circuit City and CompUSA's decision to hire minimum wage employees was representative of US tech workers?

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by guesthouston

INTEL WILL LAYOFF 12,000 AMERICAN WORKERS AFTER REQUESTING 14,523 FOREIGN WORKERS

Intel Lays Off 12,000 After Seeking Visas to Import 14,523 Foreign Professionals Since 2010 - Breitbart

Intel requested 8,351 H-1B visas and 5,172 permanent green cards for foreign workers between 2010-2015, citing that they could not find enough skilled American workers. Now that many of Intel's requests have been approved the company plans a massive layoff of American employees.

Intel follows a national trend by many technology companies such as Disney and Abbot Laboratories to use visas like the H-1B visa to import cheaper labor instead of hiring American workers. In some cases, the employees were forced to train their replacements in order to receive their severance pay.

Intel was one of the technology companies involved in the 2013 Gang of Eight bill that promoted increasing the H-1B visa caps.

A 2011 study by the U.S. Government Accountability Office exposed how the H-1B visa was being exploited and showed that there was very little oversight of the program. According to the report the government doesn't even know how many workers are actually in the U.S. on H-1B visas at any given time.

Intel's having problems because of the decline of PC sales. This is a smart move to keep them competitive. Sorry for the layoffs but that's life.

[margaretBartle]

Originally Posted by peterlemonjello

When those same jobs become free, they aren't interested in them because those jobs are beneath them or they want more money.

Not true. When Immigration authorities shut down a meat packing plant in Colorado becuase they had too many illegal immigrants working, the next day, would-be American job applicants were lined up two blocks long to apply for jobs that they knew would be available now that the illegals were gone.

I hear stories about how farmers can't find farm workers, but I have NEVER seen an ad looking for farm workers that paid a piece rate, with free housing and transportation.

This thing about Americans not being willing to work is just blather. Americans have ALWAYS been strong wrokers!

[margaretBartle]

Originally Posted by detachable arm

Over the past 10 years I've noticed more and more H1B's in supervisory positions in professional/technical jobs related to engineering and construction. For example one Indian or Arab moves up on merit, but starts recommending and promoting his Indian or Arab buddies who have no clue, and the cycle continues until an organization is no longer credible

You must be old enough to remember that expression "Made in Japan". It was a short-cut way of saying something was shoddy and cheaply made. It was common in the 50s and 60s, when Japan was just beginning to learn modern industrial methods.

But by the 70s, Japan had pretty much wiped out the US electronics industry, was going hard after the auto industry, and was threatening the US steel industry.

In the 80s, China had a reputation for make crappy toys and tools, but by 2000 or so, it had pretty much taken over the computer industry.

It takes a generation or two for a country to come up to speed.

For now, India is just starting to learn IT work. It will take a generation or two for it to come into its own.

But it will.

We know from history that all empires fall. England was the last. The very high elite have come through, but the next layers down, from the lower aristocracies to the skilled workers, lost their shirts.

The thing to do is be prepared. It's a Done Deal. We've gone over the cliff. It's just a matter of how long it will take us to hit bottom.

[ATG5]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

What a clever comeback! When you can't think of anything intelligent to say, just toss in an ad hominem.

My post wasn't meant to be clever, deep, witty or profounding. No need to make it more complicated than that. You may be out-hustled and outworked by every H1B Visa worker, but don't speak for everyone else.

I understand economics and the business side of these things, but quit acting like all American works aren't hard working, spoiled, entitled divas.

The end.

Originally Posted by davenj08

If you suggesting that the current generation, or the one before, has the same work ethic and sincerity as the one right after the great depression or the second world war, you're lying to yourself.


It is proven that a generation that goes through economic hardship, and the one right after, has far more motivation to work hard and succeed. They value time, money, and hard work. No wonder immigrants coming from third world countries, who have seen hardship first hand are more motivated. Someone mentioned the newsstands and coffee shops are all run by immigrants. Wonder why? Because you can't find enough Americans to stand on their feet 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, willing to work nightshifts and on holidays and long weekends. Ask any fast food restaurant or convenience store owner about their #1 issue - and I bet they will say it is finding reliable labor.

I don't care about that generation, because I'm not competing with any of them for current jobs and promotions. To even compare two generations in two completely different eras is apples-to-oranges and pointless.

There are plenty of American workers who think everything should be handed to them and certain jobs are beneath them, but please do not speak as if all or even most American workers are like that. Maybe the ones you know, but that's what you know. The views of you and the other poster I quoted are simply microcosms and/or a reflection of yourself.

[greywar]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Intel's having problems because of the decline of PC sales. This is a smart move to keep them competitive. Sorry for the layoffs but that's life.

LOL, You are missing the point entirely. While hiring foreigners in the US,Intel simultaneously lays off American workers.

To be fair to Intel though, at least they tend to pay the H1-B's market rates unlike the vast majority of H1B's brought over.

[curiousgeorge5]

If this is true that we're being done wrong by corporation bringing in too many foreign workers and it continues to get worse, what will happen to large amounts of Americans when they can't find work?

Will they cut back on foreign workers at a point, or will it just keep continuing?

[pappjohn]

Thanks to The Clintons, we got NAFTA which has eliminated alot of
US jobs. Its a very bad deal for the US. We need to end it.

[creepy]

OP study your history of the US more. Since we began as a country there has been this same tired slogan repeated whenever someone is disgruntled. One year immigrants are welcomed and a few years later-despised. Same ole news story, nothing new here. Not to be seen by all because it just blames and does not solve. It is a good way to keep people mad at each other so they won't see the real ones to blame.

The real reason there are no jobs is because of greed. We have the greediest big biz owners in the world and they moved all the factories away instead of making an ethical choice. They don't even live here many tomes but lie all over the world.

I think we should kick them out of the country if they have done us so wrong. That would be a good start to putting things right.

Number two the amount we spend on the US military is ridiculous cutting that 57% of the US budget in half and giving the money to us the people would be a good choice. IT IS A CRIME the way it is now and they don't even take care of the vets!