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Old 09-25-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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You get what you pay for. IDK what the salary requirements are for the job, but jobs these days expect superstars for absurdly low salaries. No one w/any sense will take a low paying job and if they do, it's because they haven't proved themselves yet, but once they do they will either ask for more money for find a place that will pay them more money.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Wait a second. I never said it was ok. In fact, asking about age, or any other protected class, is incredibly stupid and can leave you open to legal claims.

My point is that the question itself isn't illegal. Basing hiring decisions on age, whether that information is obtained from a question, appearance, a background check, or any other source of information IS illegal.
If a form contains an illegal question or field, then that is by itself "asking an illegal question." Many candidates who are lacking in self-confidence or knowledge might answer that question on paper.

I interpret that to mean the question itself is illegal (including on the application) and is something for which a company can be sued.

Discrimination against protected classes is illegal, thus asking (on paper or in person) any question which could enable the prospective employer to ascertain the answer to such a question is also illegal.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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In late 1980's-1990 I was living in West Germany/German (during the time of reunification) and a close friend was sending out CV's to various companies after having complete a 12-year stint as a Captain in the German military.

It was customary for him to attach a photo of himself to every CV, which shocked this American. You can tell a lot about someone from their picture: age, gender, attractiveness, etc. I could hardly believe it until I saw the ads to which he was replying which clearly stated they were looking for someone between xx-xx age, among other things. There was open discrimination in employment.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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If a form contains an illegal question or field, then that is by itself "asking an illegal question." Many candidates who are lacking in self-confidence or knowledge might answer that question on paper.

I interpret that to mean the question itself is illegal (including on the application) and is something for which a company can be sued.

Discrimination against protected classes is illegal, thus asking (on paper or in person) any question which could enable the prospective employer to ascertain the answer to such a question is also illegal.
Please point to a law that says you cannot ask the question. There isn't a federal law that prohibits this, although there might be a state law.

The question, as much as you may wish it to be otherwise, simply isn't illegal. The act of discrimination is illegal, whether or not questions about a protected class are ever asked.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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So if you have been part of a hiring interview panel, how were the candidates who came in?

(In all honesty, weren't a large number of them really bad?)
Well isn't that your fault and the other panelists? Who is picking these candidates to come in?

Doesn't sound like you have any experience interviewing at all, which makes me wonder why you're even in the decision making process.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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Doesn't sound like you have any experience interviewing at all, which makes me wonder why you're even in the decision making process.
How is a person supposed to develop experience? Including inexperienced manager in a hiring committee is a training opportunity. It is one of the benefits of the system.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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seems like employers are expecting every applicant to be michael jordan willing to work for an average corporation making average salary (the position is for an office manger; not a disaster relief specialist distributing mre's to tsunami victims).

those generic non-technical questions never have a substantial answer that any silver-toungue devil can ace.

the op sounds like a hollywood audition for the next spider-man reboot.

inflated expectations much ?

p.s.: my weakness is that i work too hard.

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Old 09-25-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Personally, If I wanted a manager, I'd come up with a couple of scenarios that the manager would have to deal with in real life at my company and ask "what would you do if...?"

Then some questions about style of managing recalcitrant employees.

Then I'd want to know what job experience he had in a similar type job or what skills he could bring from a previous job that could be applied to my job.

I don't care what the employee thinks is his best personality trait. I want to know how he is going to manage the different aspects of the job I expect him to do.
that's how PROGRESSIVE, ENGLIGHTENED, PROFESSIONAL interviewing should be done! ask applicants how they are going to perform in a specific, position related, situation. not just some lame "tell me about your weakness/strengths." granted, the smart, better-prepared applicants will know how to answer that in a way that relates to the position offered at hand, but it does not really give interviewers accurate idea of how an applicant is going to specifically perform.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Everyone should try hiring once in their life and see how easy it is.
I think the problem is that we have lots of people in positions of hiring power who just shouldn't be in those positions in the first place. Many of them just don't know what they're doing and/or incapable of handling that responsibility.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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Why are you interviewing people that do not meet the minimum requirements of the position?

There is absolutely no need to repost the job announcement, unless you are looking for something outside the requirements for the position, which in that case, good luck finding it when you are not even advertising for it as a requirement.
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