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Old 10-09-2016, 12:47 AM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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So I am going to graduate college in May so I look at job postings in my prospective field from time to time to see you know, what the future looks like.

I found a job that's in my field and according to the company website it says entry-level! Now, I am finding a hard time finding a job that actually means entry-level without being an unpaid internship. So I scrolled down experience, and guess what it says, FOUR YEARS of experience! And internships don't count! On top of that, it is requiring certifications which require work experience as I have looked up these certifications.

So how exactly is that entry level? Professional certifications, which require work experience, and four years of non-internship work experience.

When I graduate university I will have three internships, some professional certifications, hopefully this third one in the prospective field as the other two are not, I do have a letter of recommendation from a professor, good grades, it is just AMAZINGLY BLEAK for someone like me. Now, I assume that if these jobs didn't have enough applicants they'd look at someone with less experience, but is that really the case anymore? How are us youngins supposed to get in anywhere?
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Old 10-09-2016, 12:59 AM
 
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So I am going to graduate college in May so I look at job postings in my prospective field from time to time to see you know, what the future looks like.

I found a job that's in my field and according to the company website it says entry-level! Now, I am finding a hard time finding a job that actually means entry-level without being an unpaid internship. So I scrolled down experience, and guess what it says, FOUR YEARS of experience! And internships don't count! On top of that, it is requiring certifications which require work experience as I have looked up these certifications.

So how exactly is that entry level? Professional certifications, which require work experience, and four years of non-internship work experience.

When I graduate university I will have three internships, some professional certifications, hopefully this third one in the prospective field as the other two are not, I do have a letter of recommendation from a professor, good grades, it is just AMAZINGLY BLEAK for someone like me. Now, I assume that if these jobs didn't have enough applicants they'd look at someone with less experience, but is that really the case anymore? How are us youngins supposed to get in anywhere?
Apply anyway, and explain that you plan on getting the certs in a cover letter. It never hurts to try. Sometimes employers will post for their ideal candidate but if you are motivated, sound like a good fit, and interview well, they may lax the "years experience" requirements. At least, this is what I have seen in my profession. It may be different in other professions.
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Old 10-09-2016, 01:22 AM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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Apply anyway, and explain that you plan on getting the certs in a cover letter. It never hurts to try. Sometimes employers will post for their ideal candidate but if you are motivated, sound like a good fit, and interview well, they may lax the "years experience" requirements. At least, this is what I have seen in my profession. It may be different in other professions.
Well I am not ready yet, I am just looking to see what prospects look like. But as far as "entry-level" goes, it seems to mean a minimum of 3 years of work experience and like I said previously, certifications that require work experience.

I'll have some career-related certifications by the time of graduation, but not all of the ones they are asking for.
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Old 10-09-2016, 01:29 AM
 
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Well I am not ready yet, I am just looking to see what prospects look like. But as far as "entry-level" goes, it seems to mean a minimum of 3 years of work experience and like I said previously, certifications that require work experience.

I'll have some career-related certifications by the time of graduation, but not all of the ones they are asking for.
I would honestly take the years experience with a grain of salt. I have had interviewers tell me that the years experience was actually negotiable, even though the ad listed them as a requirement. It depends on the job, so if you see entry level requested, that is a clue they might be open to the right person whom has less experience.
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Old 10-09-2016, 02:25 AM
 
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I would honestly take the years experience with a grain of salt. I have had interviewers tell me that the years experience was actually negotiable, even though the ad listed them as a requirement. It depends on the job, so if you see entry level requested, that is a clue they might be open to the right person whom has less experience.
Man I really hope that is the case. Otherwise it might as well be the Great Depression 2.0 for Millennials. It seems though the job market looks good if you are a Gen X or an old Millennial. I'm on the young end of the generation.

This was at a hospital but not in a traditional clinical position, I know getting jobs in healthcare is sort of the go-to trend besides tech for stability and money and so on. So I think they are extra competitive. My field looks more at the public sector and relies a lot on the public sector (even in private sector) to do job duties. Government seems to be even more competitive, since it's known for being stable and good life balance despite lower pay. But my field is probably 90% public sector, and 10% private, if I had to take a guess. Maybe a little less drastic than that but still a heavy majority in government.
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Old 10-09-2016, 03:47 AM
 
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I applied to a bunch of jobs that required a ton of experience. I ended up getting interviews and offers at some of them. Just apply anyway and see what happens.
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Old 10-09-2016, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well I am not ready yet, I am just looking to see what prospects look like. But as far as "entry-level" goes, it seems to mean a minimum of 3 years of work experience and like I said previously, certifications that require work experience.

I'll have some career-related certifications by the time of graduation, but not all of the ones they are asking for.
Also keep in mind that employers will post both the required qualification and the preferred qualifications in ads. I've applied for, and won, several positions where I met the required qualifications but not the preferred ones.
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Old 10-09-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Entry level means the lowest level positions in that department at that company. Those jobs requiring no experience would be "trainee." Even then, most employers will take someone with experience if available, over someone with none. It's simply good business to minimize the lost production time in training. The solution is internships, sadly there are not enough of those to go around, so it's going to be difficult to get a foot in the door at employers with a good career path.
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Old 10-09-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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Typically entry level means lowest pay scale for that position. They may want certain experience, skills, certs, etc., but will also consider no experience candidates. You may just need to take what you can get and move up in the ranks once you establish some experience.
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Old 10-09-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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"All my best hires had significant experience with internships during and after college, because they were stellar in their field and didn't waste their time with part time jobs that were unrelated to the industry. They took a lowball salary too, showing their commitment to the workplace. They're not too worried, because they didn't have to work in college and they have rent assistance from their parents."

-Hiring guy from half the industry in expensive cities.
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