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I always had the idea that hard work was rewarded with decent pay
Really? I never heard that. I was taught that smart work will be more prosperous, but then I should make sure I use the money I make to invest for myself to make sure I have enough to retire. Never once did it dawn on me that someone else was responsible to pay for my retirement.
never once did it dawn on me that someone else was responsible to pay for my retirement.<<< I TOTALLY AGREE........... but................... the reason we work is to have the benefits of living,paying bills, raising a family and when you get older the reward you EARNED should be retirement and a good one!!
remember this is why we work....... so to your statement here>> never once did it dawn on me that someone else was responsible to pay for my retirement
my answer here.............. someone else was responsible to pay for my retirement<< THEY ARENT YOU """EARNED IT""""""""""
my answer here.............. someone else was responsible to pay for my retirement<< THEY ARENT YOU """EARNED IT""""""""""
no, sorry...working "hard" does not "earn" you a retirement. Seriously. We are a fully developed country, thus more people are able to retire with their own funds (yet most still can't); but this is a new economic phenomena. Historically, most people either worked their entire lives, or stopped working and their families took care of them. Having your country or your company take care of you at that point is a relatively new scenario.
Its a complete Mess. Truth is you're better off just sitting at home and collecting entitlements. Chances are you will make out better than going to work for $10/hr.
What incentive is there to go and work today unless you're fortunate enough to land a great paying job (Which are disappearing at a rapid pace) .. NONE
Its a complete Mess. Truth is you're better off just sitting at home and collecting entitlements. Chances are you will make out better than going to work for $10/hr.
What incentive is there to go and work today unless you're fortunate enough to land a great paying job (Which are disappearing at a rapid pace) .. NONE
That's the beauty of the free market. We all need a job, and decent employers are becoming few and far between, so the hope is that someone who is fed up with trashy companies will start their own business and understand (through previous poor experiences) how to properly treat employees and run an organization.
I struggle with this topic -A LOT !! There is a odd movement to treat corporations better than humans ( tax breaks, min wage, health care options, maternity leave .. etc)
HOWEVER -- I do feel majority do NOT want to evolve with the current structure of employment. You MUST have numerous skills and motivation to obtain a quality position and move up in the company. A personal economy / person brand VS. Time- Spent at the company. The days of unskilled labor is OVER and min. skilled labor is just a revolving door of temporary projects.
College is NOT preparing people for the job market - however I do feel will evolve as well.
without getting overtly political in my reply, there are 2 sides to this political issue.
One political side wants to eliminate the minimum wage and let corporations have more money and less taxes. The other side of the political coin wants to raise the minimum wage and tax corporations and help the average person.
How you vote can affect the outcome in the years ahead. if you are the only person interested in removing the minimum wage so college kids can earn as little as $3 an hour and everyone else wants the minimum wage raised, then you might be out of luck.
Don't want to vote or can't be bothered to vote? then you don't get to complain.
One final note, just to get you to think about this issue a little longer. Corporations don't get to vote for politicians. so why would some politicians do everything in their power to help the corporations?
This discussion makes me wonder about the history of retirement. When did retirement become a part of our economic and social life? Who invented it? Retirement used to be death or so disabled that work was not possible. Retirement usually meant impoverishment and taken care of by the family. We are headed back to those days only without family.
There are many pieces to this "problem" and all are complex. At some point, it was decided that young people would leave the home and go make their way in the world as opposed to several generations living under one roof and helping keep the larger family intact and functioning. No longer are resources pooled for the good of the entire family. No family, no security. We determined that the government would be our caretaker but the problem with that idea is that it requires lots of money which is no longer there. Boomers particularly do not seem to get that it takes workers putting money into the SS system to keep it solvent. So, the choice is to take more money from already strapped workers and fewer of them OR raise the SS age considerably. No politician will touch that and hence the ponzi scheme continues until it doesn't.
Unions played a big role once in keeping wages high. Save for a few, that is no longer the case. This is also a great debate issue. I read the average Boston cop makes good six figures. Employees of Amtrak or the Long Island RR make very good money and retire early if the articles are to be believed. I read several years ago that waste truck drivers in the Seattle area make near six figures if not more. I will let someone else do the research on those. The point is, some few are making out big time but the vast majority are a paycheck away from eviction. We have a social disaster in which the temptation, and the action, is to redistribute wealth through the dozens of taxes placed on those who do work. True, almost have of workers pay no Federal income tax. However, they pay the same fuel and food taxes. I look for gasoline to be added to SNAP payments. Everyone pays the same sales taxes and the list is long.
Most figured that a college degree was the answer to the good life. It might be for the higher education industry which is robbing young people. I have never understood why a paying customer at a university is forced to take coursework that is utterly useless other than to keep some instructor on the payroll. Art Appreciation? Really? In today's environment? Envy the young person whose parent has a plumbing or electrical business and has a job to go into.
Instead of higher wages and benefits, American consumers prefer lower prices for stuff made overseas. They are not willing to pay more so that a neighbor might have a better paying job. We call it capitalism and smart economics. The problem with that is the neighbor gets more desperate and desperation breeds trouble. Our system has enriched a handful and impoverished millions. It makes no sense but it is reality and it is here to stay.
Last edited by Bygeorge; 11-06-2016 at 03:38 PM..
Reason: clarity
That's the beauty of the free market. We all need a job, and decent employers are becoming few and far between, so the hope is that someone who is fed up with trashy companies will start their own business and understand (through previous poor experiences) how to properly treat employees and run an organization.[/QUOTE]
Thats all nice and fine of course, but that takes quite a bit of startup money (something most of the country doesn't have today) and isn't a very realistic solution to the MESS of the the private sector right now
the reason we work is to have the benefits of living,paying bills, raising a family and when you get older the reward you EARNED should be retirement and a good one!!
well no, the reason you work is because you want the paycheck
people can choose not to spend that paycheck on your family, many people do neglect their children. they can also neglect their bills and go into debt, again many people do. You can even not spend the paycheck on your retirement and again, many people have a poor retirement. Hell, people don't even "live", I don't consider people who **** away their money in the casinos or getting drunk/high to be "living".
you could always homestead, raise a family, grow your own food and live the "hard" life. most people choose to not work outdoors from sun up until sun down. Most people do not want to work physical jobs.
so they CHOOSE to work in an office with A/C where they can sit down for 8 hours a day and call it working. They want a paycheck for this, do not confuse this with a "reason" to work other than them not wanting to be outside, on their feet, lifting more than a box of paper
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