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Old 12-01-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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I don't have a discussion on minimum wage, but these automation systems have nothing to do with whatever the minimum wage is. It's a case of getting the technology available more than anything else. If it were available 20 years ago, we'd have had this discussion then. The whole minimum wage argument merely gives them the cover to do what they would have done anyway.
I agree with this guy. Perhaps the OP should bring in the self service check out at Walmart or at Home Depot. The argument that the $15 minimum wage is unrelated. If they could get away with it, there would be no one at the check out counters at all.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:18 AM
 
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I agree with this guy. Perhaps the OP should bring in the self service check out at Walmart or at Home Depot. The argument that the $15 minimum wage is unrelated. If they could get away with it, there would be no one at the check out counters at all.
I don't agree, because the technology is already there. I have seen plenty of working machines in fast food restaurants. But if customer service is decent, then people prefer dealing with a human.

People are only willing to spend a certain amount for customer service. If two pizza chains provide the same pizza, cost 8 and 12 dollars, but the 12 dollar has far superior customer service, then a lot of people will pick the 12 dollar one. However, if the price difference is 10 and 20 dollars, then a lot more people will pick the cheap option.

This means, if minimum wage increase by a lot, then we will see a lot more self-service kiosk.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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When the price of something goes up it means that people can afford less of it. Whether it's labor or going out to eat.

I'm in a big city and there are chains but there are also a lot of small independent mom and pop type places.

I'm worried less about the big chains like McDonald's , Burger King, KFC because they are global corporations and they have locations all over the world.
They can also afford to invest in this technology possibly . The small mom and pop place likely won't be able to invest in automation or robotics.

What we will have is more chains most likely.

These $15 hr discussions are always focused on the big chains, people protesting outside McDonald's they never talk about the small mom and pops that will be hurt, and I think that's a shame. The media skews things.
Even with the big chains those locations are often owned by franchisees that invested their hard earned money into buying a store. They are essentially small businesses often times using the McDonald's name.
These people sides of the story just don't get shown

It's all CEOs make X million, they can afford to pay more. Looking at the math of course isn't something the media cares to explore.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You can afford that today too.

Albuquerque, New Mexico (according to your profile, close to where you live)
Rent: $400 for shared room
Bus Ticket: $20
Groceries: $250
Take home pay: $1170

Left over is $500 per month, is that not enough for discretionary spending? New Mexico cannot afford a $15 minimum wage, because their median hourly wage is $15.54. You try to push the minimum wage to $15, and you will soon be unemployed.
huh? Minimum wage in New Mexico is $7.50 an hour. "If" you worked full time (and most minimum wage jobs are NOT full time, your take home pay would be $240 a week, that is $960 a month, not $1170. A 'gold pass' for the bus is $30 a month, not $20.

Rent: $400 shared room
Groceries $250
Bus ticket $30
left over is $280

And that $280 would have to cover: clothing, phone, medical & dental expenses, etc. To put that in perspective if you had to have one tooth crowned it would consume all of the "left over" money for 3 or 4 months.

Those kind of scenarios are never based in reality.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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huh? Minimum wage in New Mexico is $7.50 an hour. "If" you worked full time (and most minimum wage jobs are NOT full time, your take home pay would be $240 a week, that is $960 a month, not $1170. A 'gold pass' for the bus is $30 a month, not $20.

Rent: $400 shared room
Groceries $250
Bus ticket $30
left over is $280

And that $280 would have to cover: clothing, phone, medical & dental expenses, etc. To put that in perspective if you had to have one tooth crowned it would consume all of the "left over" money for 3 or 4 months.

Those kind of scenarios are never based in reality.
People need to stay living at home until they can get a better paying job or some better form of income. Or move out of New Mexico.
Also make sure not to have kids too until they can afford it.

Many of these min wage protesters are saying how they need to make more so they can support their multiple kids. It wasn't our fault they spread their legs or got into bed with someone.
Tax payers shouldn't be rewarding responsibility. Not politically correct I know, but it's the truth.

Look here in L.A you will see poor pregnant women with 2 or 3 kids all over. They likely can't even work because they are constantly pregnant.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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But if customer service is decent, then people prefer dealing with a human.
They do? How do you know that?
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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st don't get shown

It's all CEOs make X million, they can afford to pay more. Looking at the math of course isn't something the media cares to explore.
Corporate profits have tripled even factoring in the recession and executive pay is through the roof. Wages are stagnant and haven't went up to match any of that. Income inequality is the worst it has ever been. When are people going to realize corporate America is screwing the entire country?
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Corporate profits have tripled even factoring in the recession and executive pay is through the roof. Wages are stagnant and haven't went up to match any of that. Income inequality is the worst it has ever been. When are people going to realize corporate America is screwing everyone?
There just aren't enough job creation to offset jobless due to automation or consolidation. When more businesses compete for jobs the higher the wages will go up.

Salary is determined by job market, the more demand for workers by different businesses the higher the wages will be.

Something that the Obama administration failed to recognize.
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Old 12-01-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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There just aren't enough job creation to offset jobless due to automation or consolidation. When more businesses compete for jobs the higher the wages will go up.

Salary is determined by job market, the more demand for workers by different businesses the higher the wages will be.

Something that the Obama administration failed to recognize.
Yeah according to the powers that be though...if corporate America is doing WELL that should trickle down to the American worker.

Clearly that isn't happening because corporate America has recovered amazingly from the recession. Obama failed to recognize a lot of things no doubt. I think Trump is dead on and right a lot of it has to do with the trade deals and loopholes that companies use. Obama should have been on top of all this instead of just promising free stuff to people.

What we have is corporate Capitalism combined with cronyism and lobbyists.

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Old 12-01-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by vision33r View Post
There just aren't enough job creation to offset jobless due to automation or consolidation. When more businesses compete for jobs the higher the wages will go up.

Salary is determined by job market, the more demand for workers by different businesses the higher the wages will be.

Something that the Obama administration failed to recognize.
Some will claim that historically jobs that were made redundant were replaced by other jobs. That may have been true in the past, but now technology is at a level where even less jobs will be needed.
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