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They are just trying to find the best candidates for the job. The assess primarily skills and good fit.
Very rarely does the best candidate get the job. In fact, quite frequently, the best candidate is declared overqualified and summarily rejected. It is typically a cluster F of HR junk science, cronyism/nepotism, and outright shallowness. In the absence of meritocracy and fairness, candidates should feel as free as companies are to do whatever they can get away with.
Open up your own business, and you won't have to worry about this issue.
Are you giving out interest free loans with leniency clauses? This is a tired response in a crony capitalist system where only connected persons get the red tape removed for them.
It is amazing when reading these posts on this thread, how little the general public understands about the job market, and how companies do things, and why. There are so many rumors going around that are not true, but these people have jumped on them. Lets look at a few facts.
1: A company has a specific need to fill a particular position. They need someone that is knowledgeable in that particular job, has the education and experience to do the job from day 1. They do not have the time to train someone for months to fill the job. The particular program they work with, is not a general one that is taught in high school and college, but is designed specifically for their type of industry, and handles all aspects of the business. It will require the person filling the position to have been to as many as 8 different special classes to learn on part of the program, which runs accounting, inventory, manufacturing, ordering, shipping, planning, etc. The person they need to hire, must know how to use it for all the departments, and how to set it up to be able for officers in the corporate headquarters can tap into their other branches as well as their own and get the answers they need to operate the company. They advertise, and get not one person with the knowledge and experience they need out of 500 applications, so they advertise again. They are not even going to consider anyone that is not qualified for the job.
I know a woman that worked for a large company with several facilities. It was taken over in a hostile take over, and they fired all the managers from the president/chairman of the board on down. She was the IT specialist in the corporate office, earning in 6 figures. She put her resume out on Dice, and within less than 2 weeks, had 47 legitimate employers after her from New York and Boston to Seattle and the Silicon Valley, And Chicago down to Houston and about everywhere in between. She was offered the job on phone interviews. Some of the companies in the 500 and even 100 categories. They especially needed her with the multiple facilities as they needed someone that could get the government off their back, that really knew how to get them in compliance with SOX audits. They were getting tired of being sited for being out of compliance and no on in the company knew how to get them into compliance. Huge bumps in salary, and benefits. Some told her that if someone made her a better offer, they would meet or beat it, that is how bad they needed her. One was in the mid size city where she wanted to retire, in the suburb she wanted to live in. They had 123 different facilities from small to large around the nation, in an industry she highly approved of. They offered the highest salary. The companies told her, that they had been trying to find someone like her for 1 to 5 years. She had 15 years experience with that one company wide business program that made everything work, and this they needed. She was known by them, as she went to national user conferences every year, and had spoken at them. She averaged 2 or more inquires each week, to see if she was available over the previous 10 years.
Being that they were all looking, and kept advertising for long periods of time to fill this position, a lot of posters will think that these were fake ads. Not fake ads, but they all said they got a lot of fake applications that were completely unqualified for this high end position.
2: To make sure there no repercussions, they may advertise when planning on filling the position internally. This is just CYA actions, that they are forced to do in certain circumstances. They would rather not do so, as it costs money and manpower/womanpower to take this route.
3: Here in Montana several companies have wanted to put in a facility that would hire about 300 or more people. The state employment office tells them, first advertise for help to see if they can find that many workers. From an article in the local newspaper, they are only getting about 75 or less applications, and half are not qualified for any position, so they put the facility in another state. We don't have the back log of unemployed they do somewhere else. If there had been enough applications they would have started interviews and moving facilities here. As they could not find enough potential workers, they moved on to another state. They were not fake ads, but with out enough applications they had to make other plans. Companies will run such ads, to find out if they can fill the jobs, or would have to go somewhere else.
4: The company has certain needs. They advertise, and even interview some borderline with minimal qualifications for the job. None are qualified for the job, so they have to advertise again, etc. Those unqualified applicants feel it was a fake job, as no one got hired, but the truth is no one with the qualifications even applied for the job. Just because you feel you are qualified, does not make that true.
That's because people cant afford to just sit around being unemployed, they probably left the state.
If they build it, they will come. When Alaska built the oil fields all that was up here was pioneers and natives, they imported everyone up an built a state. Until that sort of thing starts happening again we are going to continue slowly rotting from the inside and have been doing so for decades now.
Did you know that a new refinery has not been built since the VERY early 70's (73 I believe), it is taught as an elective in chemical engineering as an intellectual curiosity rather than as a real skill lol (I mean you could design a refinery from the class but how long is that class going to be retained? and how valuable will it really be without any experience tied to it? sure you could work in a refinery but its not the same thing unless you are part of a VERY rare major overhaul of a refinery and I think they are using VERY old timers to do those major turn around's and re-designs who are rapidly retiring).
This sort of crony capitalist corporate behavior is not going to be without consequences. The rot of our nation is already starting to show through to the skin of the fruit. If trump does not magically create a lot of GOOD paying jobs ASAP we are due for some pretty serious social unrest and serious problems as a nation.
Also a lot of these special skill sets are not needed by a company every single day so they conduct lay offs and run a bunch of people off and then when some more work comes up they pout that these people have moved on and that they cant hire them on as a gig contractor for a few months, sorry cant feed a family on gigs that come along once in a while. So the project was shut down and there were some major upsets because everyone left and did other things and were not about to leave stable employment for a gig. If companies are not willing to keep people on when its slow to retain the talent then they deserve everything that happens to them.
I keep hearing that many jobs posted out there are fake:
1.) They only post to meet laws so that they can hire someone internally but they post it just so they can appear legal.
2) They are resume fishing.
3.) They are only THINKING about hiring
4.) Other reasons not listed above
1). Thank EEO for this, i already started a thread about this idea.. Beated horse from alot of different POV.
2.) Staffing agencies do this as they get paid base on how many resumes they can spam out and hoping that you land that job, they get paid and move on to the next victim.
3.) I personally believe this happens more common now than before. Due to so many people looking for work, and business growing, they want to test the waters. I lost count on how many emails i gotten with "Sorry the position has been canceled" call and said the opening was not approved, but thanks for wasting my time.
What i dont get is, if you say i am over qualified for the job, than WTF did you call me for the interview, knowing my resume showing you that im "over qualified"
Almost all jobs that are advertized by universities, have already been filled. This is especially true of low-level teaching positions, such as graduate teaching fellowships. I had been teaching two classes at a university for three years, as a volunteer, as they had no budget appropriation for it.
Near the end of that time, they said they'd set up an additional fellowship, with me in mind. They said they'd have to follow the rules and list it in some international publications, but that someone would have to be more like me, than I was, to take it away. In the end, it didn't matter, because there was a complete republican sweep in state government that year and higher education budgets were drastically chopped. The fellowship I might have gotten and six others in the department, were gone.
Very rarely does the best candidate get the job. In fact, quite frequently, the best candidate is declared overqualified and summarily rejected. It is typically a cluster F of HR junk science, cronyism/nepotism, and outright shallowness. In the absence of meritocracy and fairness, candidates should feel as free as companies are to do whatever they can get away with.
I'm amazed at those who think companies have time to sit around a meeting table to discuss how they plan to screw over people. Some tend to take their thinking too far. It doesn't get that deep. Companies have a need, and fill it. If the need disappears, so does the need for the person. Some are rarely affected by this as they cross train and make themselves valuable enough to the company that the company knows it is in their best interest to retain that person however they can. Others just say "That isn't my job" and tend to want to stick with one specific job as long as they can. Eventually, as your skills stagnate or decrease while your salary increases the need to retain you decreases as well. You have to stay ahead of the curve.
I've noticed that a lot of people like to point the finger only at a company while never once looking in the mirror to see what they could have done to make themselves valuable enough that a company has to think long and hard about getting rid of them. If a company can look at you and quickly say "Eh, let them go" then you weren't doing that good of a job for them to begin with.
I've noticed that a lot of people like to point the finger only at a company while never once looking in the mirror to see what they could have done to make themselves valuable enough that a company has to think long and hard about getting rid of them. If a company can look at you and quickly say "Eh, let them go" then you weren't doing that good of a job for them to begin with.
What I saw at my last job was the people that make the decision at many large companies are so far removed from the day to day operations that they can't make that call wisely. They just see a name and salary and decide well why should I pay an analytical chemist a good salary and benefits when I can get a yuttz from Aerotek, Kelly or wherever for cheaper. It never occurs to them the quality, specialized knowledge, judgement, and morale issues or long lasting damage they are doing to the profession.
At my last job the technical manager is basically told get this work done and don't hire anyone just use contingent labor. So They buy $200k piece of complex scientific instrumentation, keep the only person who is highly proficient in operating it and created the methods as a permatemp, and then that person quits and the technical group is up a creek and the MBA three states away gets a bonus for how much money he's saved the company.
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