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You must be at the top of the pay scale. Why so afraid to say what you make?
Remember, its a two way street. Whats wrong with hiring for the best price? Sounds like a lot of people think its fine for the candidate to play games and lie. But expect the employer to give out all the salary information up front.
Most here would not get past the initial phone screen at my old company.
I make over six figures, but I'm not going to let a recruiter submit me at (for example) $130k when the employer is willing to go up to $150k for someone with my experience and expertise. Screw that!
Not giving a recruiter my current salary isn't lying. They ask, and I say "I don't feel comfortable sharing that. What is the range the client is offering for this position?" They don't refuse to tell me.
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Originally Posted by jnojr
Because you just set a cap on what they'll want to offer.
Let's say you need to hire someone, and can spend up to $75K You ask a candidate what they make now, and they say $50K Are you going to go ahead and offer them the $75K? No! You'll offer them $55 or so. If they buck, maybe a little more, but now you're thinking, "This is a $50K guy. He should be thrilled at my offer! Where does he get the nerve to ask for $70K? That's a 40% bump! I don't need a headache like that!"
Whereas if doesn't tell you what he was making, and maybe says "I'm looking in the $70K or so area", and you look at his resume and say, yeah, OK, I'll offer $72K.
There is simply no value for me in telling someone else what I earn now. None. Granted, that information would be of tremendous value to them, but I'm negotiating for me! Let them negotiate and work for them. Want me to be working on your behalf? Pay me.
If the phone screen includes a demand for my current compensation, or any talk about compensation before we've actually met and I've evaluated whether or not I want to work for you, I'd consider that a bullet dodged. I'll go ahead and say they have no idea what a phone screen is based on my understanding of what you said.
Because you just set a cap on what they'll want to offer.
Let's say you need to hire someone, and can spend up to $75K You ask a candidate what they make now, and they say $50K Are you going to go ahead and offer them the $75K? No! You'll offer them $55 or so. If they buck, maybe a little more, but now you're thinking, "This is a $50K guy. He should be thrilled at my offer! Where does he get the nerve to ask for $70K? That's a 40% bump! I don't need a headache like that!"
Whereas if doesn't tell you what he was making, and maybe says "I'm looking in the $70K or so area", and you look at his resume and say, yeah, OK, I'll offer $72K.
There is simply no value for me in telling someone else what I earn now. None. Granted, that information would be of tremendous value to them, but I'm negotiating for me! Let them negotiate and work for them. Want me to be working on your behalf? Pay me.
If the phone screen includes a demand for my current compensation, or any talk about compensation before we've actually met and I've evaluated whether or not I want to work for you, I'd consider that a bullet dodged. I'll go ahead and say they have no idea what a phone screen is based on my understanding of what you said.
Sorry but your example and statement make no sense at all. Not even going to reply to that.
I was in the Washington DC market. Arguably the best job market in the nation. My company had three very skilled (in house) corporate recruiters that knew what they were doing. I addition to associates, we hired a range of high quality and well compensated IT folks and consultants to support various government agencies.
Perhaps you are in a lower level industry.
In addition, please read my previous post #20 carefully.
Sorry but your example and statement make no sense at all. Not even going to reply to that.
I was in the Washington DC market. Arguably the best job market in the nation. My company had three very skilled (in house) corporate recruiters that knew what they were doing. I addition to associates, we hired a range of high quality and well compensated IT folks and consultants to support various government agencies.
Perhaps you are in a lower level industry.
In addition, please read my previous post #20 carefully.
Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion.
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