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America is more capitalist while EU to some degree is more socialists as in the government charges abnormally high taxes and provides nearly everything for their citizens.
Sweden is an extreme example of this.
Don't know history well, but we reject Bernie and we rejected Socialism so er yeah der you go.
Bernie most likely got hosed by the DNC but that's a discussion for another forum.
As for EU nations like Sweden they are really only socialist in certain public services mainly health care and education and there are still a lot private entities in those service sectors as well. Most every other industry in those countries are still dominated by private enterprises.
The U.S. will never become even remotely close to being socialist, the massive population in this country makes it impossible to have every little thing government run let alone most of it. Frankly a mixture of government and mostly private enterprise which we have had for decades works best.
I'm just tired of some folks being so quick to screech socialism whenever even the smallest concession is given to low end workers.
As for EU nations like Sweden they are really only socialist in certain public services mainly health care and education and there are still a lot private entities in those service sectors as well. Most every other industry in those countries are still dominated by private enterprises.
Exactly. The word socialism is so overused on this forum. The Scandinavian countries have actually with Britain and the Netherlands the most free markets in Europe. For example Spain and Greece are much more rigidly "socialist".
Companies owned 100% by the state in Sweden are like the state pharmacy, liquor and gambling monopolies and the postal service. Additionally some infrastructure and research companies. That's it.
Exactly. The word socialism is so overused on this forum. The Scandinavian countries have actually with Britain and the Netherlands the most free markets in Europe. For example Spain and Greece are much more rigidly "socialist".
Companies owned 100% by the state in Sweden are like the state pharmacy, liquor and gambling monopolies and the postal service. Additionally some infrastructure and research companies. That's it.
Is statoil in Norway 100% state owned or is it a state/private partnership? I have no issues with critical infrastructure or services being state owned (such as oil, power, universities, etc), the staples of a first world nation should never be privatized otherwise you get what is happening in the USA where things like health care and education are left to predatory private sector, if the private sector markets are left in charge of things that are largely inelastic the private sector will rape people hard.
Private markets NEED a healthy supply and demand dynamic, things with inelastic demand (like health care and education both primary and all the way to MIT) need to be a govt function.
Is statoil in Norway 100% state owned or is it a state/private partnership? I have no issues with critical infrastructure or services being state owned (such as oil, power, universities, etc), the staples of a first world nation should never be privatized otherwise you get what is happening in the USA where things like health care and education are left to predatory private sector, if the private sector markets are left in charge of things that are largely inelastic the private sector will rape people hard.
Private markets NEED a healthy supply and demand dynamic, things with inelastic demand (like health care and education both primary and all the way to MIT) need to be a govt function.
Two thirds of Statoil is owned by the state.
Some companies require a 50.1% state equity, but these are rather few too. An example would be Finnish Patria (military equipment).
But no, there's no "state tractor factory", "state wheat" or "state steel company", like there were in the USSR.
Hey, I'm a little late in replying to this, but thank you for pointing it out. I did my math too quickly and it was indeed quite bad, so I hope no one took that as accurate / used it as fact
The 20 hours / month is 30 days per year which is extremely good by US standards and about average by European standards. They also still get more holidays and sick leave in most instances. So top-of-the-line PTO for an in-demand US employee falls a little short of average PTO for an average European employee. Plus they typically (in my experience) have shorter days, longer lunches, and are not bothered much by their employer outside of work hours (nights, weekends, lunch break, time off, etc.).
Or even during work hours, it would be interesting to know how much autonomy an average employee has in europe vs the USA DURING the work day. No one wants to be micro managed during the work day either.
It's always funny how whenever people point out an area for improvement in this country. Some others get extremely defensive and tell them to leave like an immature child. Let's try to not get better even though we clearly can.
The ironic thing is if certian skill sets actually did start leaving they would be eating those words. What "they" (the people that use the "dont let the door hit you" mantra) really want is certian people to leave not realizing (or realizing and betting that most people wont actually leave) that the market has now started to alienate high skilled career fields (nurses, engineer, etc), its not just the ditch digger being replaced by a robot or a chineese slave anymore.
The only way egotists at the top relent is through violence and regime change, litterally sending SS into a corporate building with sub machine guns and telling them the gig is up to go home and be quite or we shoot you in the back of the head here and now. These sorts of phycopathic personality types will not respond to anything less. Unfortunatly the person giving the SS orders is also likely a phycopath but in after math of a step change is where the averge person can prosper, if one regime goes on too long they can start consolidating power and create their fuedal dreams.
Some companies require a 50.1% state equity, but these are rather few too. An example would be Finnish Patria (military equipment).
But no, there's no "state tractor factory", "state wheat" or "state steel company", like there were in the USSR.
Steel and tractors are fairly elastic demand though, perfect for private sector. Education and health care, utilities not so much. Also the USSR suffered dramaticly after WW2 and it can be argued that their population has still not recovered.
Steel and tractors are fairly elastic demand though, perfect for private sector. Education and health care, utilities not so much. Also the USSR suffered dramaticly after WW2 and it can be argued that their population has still not recovered.
Yes, sure, I just used typical Soviet examples.
There are loads of private clinics in Scandinavia, so the government has no monopoly in healthcare either. Electricity and water are also on the free market, though the power grids are not.
Education is definitely state-controlled and funded.
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