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Old 09-05-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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This is not even sourced from a news article, but rather a blog post from some anonymous poster. Not sure how much credence you can give to something like this.

Will most of the planet be flooded from global warming? Will Kim Jung Un annihilate the world with his nuclear weapons? See what this random blogger has to say about it!
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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yes automation is killing the number of positions but fewer people means it is needed
Keep on demonizing automation,
automation has also made it possible for all of us to buy cheap products in Amazon and get it home in a few days

Or you think Amazon would handle the volume of products that they handle with 1970s shipping technology?
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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No I like automation, it means I don't have to do manual tests as often for job

But fewer people enter the field each year so the automation is needed to make up the shortfall
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:42 PM
 
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Yes, as in the past, jobs exported or aliens imported to take the jobs from Americans, this should be on everyone's mind when they cast their votes:

How the University of California exploited a visa loophole to move tech jobs to India - LA Times

Tech workers at UCSF face layoff, training their low paid replacements

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/b...s.html?mcubz=1

So, I would worry more about being forced to train my foreign replacement before I would aging out.
I know. I'm reading "Sold Out" by Michelle Malkin. It's even worse than I'd thought (not her book, of course, but the situation). I'd already thought it was bad but apparently the corruption went, in some cases with the H1 visa, even further back than Carter!!!!


Companies firing Americans and making them train their foreign replacements (or just firing them only to rehire H1Bs)

Toys R Us, New York Life Insurance

Source: Toys ‘R’ Us Makes Americans Train Foreign Workers Who Will Take Their Jobs Overseas | John Hawkins' Right Wing News

Disney World, Abbot Labs

Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article...sensitive.html

Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services, HCL America, Southern California Edison, Fossil, Northeast Utilities

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us...lacements.html

Eversource Energy (AKA Northeast Utiliites)

Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article...t-workers.html

Emblem Health

Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article...it-layoff.html

New York Life

Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article...placement.html

Caterpillar

Source: Caterpillar Hires H-1B Foreign Graduates, Dumps 300 American Professionals - Breitbart

Dell-EMC

Source: http://wolfstreet.com/2016/09/09/del...reign-workers/

Siemens

Source: America for Sale -Siemens Replaces American Workers with Tata Workers from India 10/24 by American Statesman | Politics Podcasts

Intel

Source: http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/07/int...visa-lays-off/

University of California

Source: http://www.onenewsnow.com/business/2...ign-workers-in

McDonalds

Source: https://www.numbersusa.com/news/mcdo...oreign-workers

PG&E

Source: https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/10...jobs-overseas/

Catelina Marketing

Source: Study: H-1b Visas Cost Americans Jobs And Sup | The Daily Caller

Molina Healthcare Inc.

Source: ‘You’re Fired!’ The Abuses of ‘Skilled’ Worker Visa Programs - Progressive.org

Carnival Corporation

Xerox

Source: EXCLUSIVE-Claim: Carnival Forces U.S. Workers to Train Foreign Replacements Before Christmas - Breitbart

Mass Mutual

Source: BREAKING : Disney Under Investigation for Alleged H-1B Visa Program Abuse – TruthFeed

Harley Davidson

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/busi...-trump-n716106

HP

Source: HP Dumps 30,000 Jobs, But Still Cranking Up H-1B Immigrants

Microsoft

Source: Microsoft Dropping 3K Employees As H-1B Hiring Continues

AIG

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW8r...ature=youtu.be



Bank of America
Home Depot
IBM
Pfizer
WatchMark-Comnitel

Source: Michelle Malkin's "Sold Out"
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't know how much longer employers can keep phasing out workers at age 40. Many people don't even get started in a rock solid career until their mid-20s. So by age 40, they haven't even had enough time to build up retirement funds. They've only had about 15 years in a real career in the workforce, and then finding themselves phased out.


People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Age discrimination isn't just something that happens to "old" people. It can even affect people in their 30s.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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The other thing, is that there is a misconception on what jobs are given to H1B.

I worked at a small aerospace company a few years back, and H1B workers were doing everything from being a secretary, to taking quality measurements, to being an aerospace engineer. Not just IT.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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The other thing, is that there is a misconception on what jobs are given to H1B.

I worked at a small aerospace company a few years back, and H1B workers were doing everything from being a secretary, to taking quality measurements, to being an aerospace engineer. Not just IT.
The aerospace industry is unusual, in its immersion in "ITAR" restrictions, and consequent limitation of hiring, to only US citizens. This is a great injustice to the many fine aerospace graduate students, who receive their degrees from US universities, but who lack the proper citizenship. The process of going from F-1 visa, to H1-B, to Green Card to US citizenship, is protracted and laborious. Some of the best students decide that it's not worth their effort and heartache. They leave, taking their knowledge and talents elsewhere.

From the other side of the fence, the public-sector ends up having to pay US airframers top-dollar for R&D, for rather quotidian and uninspired work, that could have been outsourced to India - but which can't be, because of ITAR restrictions. Restrictions on data-releasability further limit the wide dissemination of knowledge, resulting in a kind of cartel system.

Small aerospace companies often depend on a revenue-stream of "Small Business Innovative Research", which I consider to be a particularly insidious form of welfare. But often, there's no alternative, as they can't compete with the larger companies, not because the latter are inherently superior, but because they can afford the overhead of complying with the various contractual rules.

It really is a broken system! No wonder, that aerospace is no longer the storied field of innovation. That pretty much ended with the conclusion of the Apollo program.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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No wonder, that aerospace is no longer the storied field of innovation. That pretty much ended with the conclusion of the Apollo program.
You think? I got in trouble because I REPORTED a faulty weld issue from a crappy manufacturer that would have created a for sure failure on the propulsion system components for a capsule which would carry humans to the ISS.

All because they were trying to qualify that manufacturer because they were cheaper.


Anyways,
Hiring non US citizens for these things presents a national security risk in my opinion.

Last edited by orionstars; 09-06-2017 at 04:30 PM.. Reason: grammar
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Old 09-06-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't know how much longer employers can keep phasing out workers at age 40. Many people don't even get started in a rock solid career until their mid-20s. So by age 40, they haven't even had enough time to build up retirement funds. They've only had about 15 years in a real career in the workforce, and then finding themselves phased out.


People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Age discrimination isn't just something that happens to "old" people. It can even affect people in their 30s.
The issue is companies don't realize the institutional knowledge they are losing or don't care. That said unless you talk government work, there really isn't places that respect that and you can work 20/30 years there. Schools aren't even this anymore. How many teachers do we see leave education, 8% a year. What Are The Main Reasons Teachers Call It Quits? : NPR Ed : NPR And note, not all are 40+, we are talking late 20's in some cases and early/mid 30's in this article. Typically those with 15+ years (a teacher in their 40's) are waiting out for 20+ if their district does sick/discretionary leave payouts upon departure.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:51 PM
 
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Uh, starting compensation for Google is around $160,000/year.
Maybe total (salary + bonus + equity); I think salary alone for a new grad software engineer is about $105,000.

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I mean, yeah, some people make more than that as they get older but generally not. It's not that Google is too cheap to pay for code monkeys with 10+ years of experience. It's that they don't want to.
Google does do "industry hires", and they do pay more for them. I joined Google with 18 years of experience. Left them last year after 6.5 years, found another job at a medium-sized tech company (not public yet). There's still room in tech for those over 40.
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