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View Poll Results: How long do you need to stay with an employer who offers little upward mobility opportunities?
0-1 years 6 20.69%
1-2 years 13 44.83%
2-3 years 4 13.79%
3-4 years 3 10.34%
5-10 years 1 3.45%
10+ years 2 6.90%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-20-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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People usually say about a year. But yet lets say 3 months into you "year long stay" you find a job paying more, better benefits, more aligned with your interest etc... and you actually receive the offer-then I would have no trouble only staying at my current job from 3 months as opposed to the usually "year long stay".

That being said if your resume is littered with many short stints that may then become a problem in interviews.

But overall I feel, that if you are unhappy at job X, start looking, don't listen to people who say "stay for at least a year" (almost like it is a commandment) if you know that it won't get better in a years time. Now I would never leave a job without another job lined up (god forbid it may take a year to find another job...) but if you are unhappy 2 months in, 3 months in, 4 months in etc... then start looking.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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People usually say about a year. But yet lets say 3 months into you "year long stay" you find a job paying more, better benefits, more aligned with your interest etc... and you actually receive the offer-then I would have no trouble only staying at my current job from 3 months as opposed to the usually "year long stay".

That being said if your resume is littered with many short stints that may then become a problem in interviews.

But overall I feel, that if you are unhappy at job X, start looking, don't listen to people who say "stay for at least a year" (almost like it is a commandment) if you know that it won't get better in a years time. Now I would never leave a job without another job lined up (god forbid it may take a year to find another job...) but if you are unhappy 2 months in, 3 months in, 4 months in etc... then start looking.
Right on! Agreed wholeheartedly. I don't advocate too many <1 year stints either, because I think that could indicate a bigger issue with your own stability.

Granted, the shortest stint I've ever had post college was 8 months, and that was because I ended up not doing the job I thought I'd be doing. Everything else has been about a 2-3 year stint, while actively moving up in pay grades during that time. The job I have now has been the only "lateral" move I've taken, and that was to get into a company with much better benefits. However, as I approach the two year mark here, I'm getting the itch to move on to something else. Though the benefits have been alright, this organization is highly dysfunctional and lacks much in the way of upward mobility. To get to that next tier, I likely need to jump ship.

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Old 10-20-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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A big issue today is there is hardly a ladder to climb in most places due to "cost cutting" so its not completely out of the realm of possibility to stay in the same job for 4-5 or even 10 years years or more without going anywhere. Ive been doing the same responsibilities for 4-5 years and many others have been in the same position longer. To "move up" you would have to move and with it comes an outrageous cost of living hike up and theres no guarantee that the position will even remain with companies like mine that are chopping heads off every 3-6 months. So instead of moving for the company, you could just be moving to the unemployment line. Alot of employees who were hired on and "leveled up" ultimately lost their jobs when they deemed "non essential".

When it comes "cost cutting" time, you're on their radar if your salary is too high unless you got high level connections which helps you avoid the chopping block.

And wheres the investment in the workforce to grow and move up? GONE!!!!!!
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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well, consider the source then. Anyone who thinks that you have to stay in a job for at least 10 years is out of touch with today's work world and their opinion would be pretty irrelevant.

Of course I say that as someone who hopes to stay at my current job until I retire in another 15ish years! lol! But that's after having had a number of different jobs along the way that got me here.
Indeed! And I, too, hope to eventually get to that point in my career. I hate switching jobs even though it has benefited me a great deal. Finding that sweet spot of stability, good pay, and challenging work is what many of us aim for. I'm considerably younger than a lot of the usual crowd that posts here, I think. So it probably explains the difference in my viewpoint compared to theirs.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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1-2 years for entry/associate level. I started off at about $14/hr back in 2010 and stayed at that company for two years. However, there were no other roles at the site and it was a fifty mile one way commute. Living there wasn't an option - it was in the middle of nowhere southwest Virginia.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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For instance, if you're young, more than likely you're starting out at the bottom rung of the corporate ladder. You're probably making the least amount that you can possibly make in your role. My starting salary in 2008 was around $30k/yr. There is absolutely no way I could subsist on that where I live now. Not to mention, COL/merit increases at any company I've worked at have generally topped out at 1-2% per year. Job hopping every 2-3 years and getting a significant increase in pay in the new role has given me opportunity that I did not have before. I make more than double what I started out making, and I accomplished that in 10 years. If I stayed with the same company I started at 10 years ago, I'd probably be making $45k/yr. and struggling to get ahead.
People have to look at job hopping with a certain degree of logic.

Somebody is paying your company to do a task. They in turn pay you. Will a client really pay another company so much more $ so that company can pay you a lot more?

So, the company you are employed with now, lets call them Belko, you make double what you started with. If you were with your first company still, you'd be way below that. Fair enough.

Well, what if you had started your career with Belko?

Are you saying that Belko will pay someone with 10 years of experience who has hopped around more than somebody who has started their career with Belko and has 10 years of experience all with Belko?

Not the case in my experience.

You CAN get salary increases with job hopping, but you have to understand why you are getting them.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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People have to look at job hopping with a certain degree of logic.

Somebody is paying your company to do a task. They in turn pay you. Will a client really pay another company so much more $ so that company can pay you a lot more?

So, the company you are employed with now, lets call them Belko, you make double what you started with. If you were with your first company still, you'd be way below that. Fair enough.

Well, what if you had started your career with Belko?

Are you saying that Belko will pay someone with 10 years of experience who has hopped around more than somebody who has started their career with Belko and has 10 years of experience all with Belko?

Not the case in my experience.

You CAN get salary increases with job hopping, but you have to understand why you are getting them.
The logic is that you hop into higher paying positions that are available rather than wait around for positions that are not.
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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The logic is that you hop into higher paying positions that are available rather than wait around for positions that are not.
The key is to take better positions with each move.

I had five help desk jobs moving around. I just combine those as one entry on my resume/LinkedIn now. With that said, I went from help desk, to associate systems analyst, to application administrator, to business analyst II since early 2014.

We've had some chronic posters with problems retaining professional employment, and people who just lambaste those folks. Neither are right, but it almost always boils back to no increase in title or responsibility with the bunch of hops.
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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We've had some chronic posters with problems retaining professional employment, and people who just lambaste those folks. Neither are right, but it almost always boils back to no increase in title or responsibility with the bunch of hops.
Which is a whole other issue altogether. I don't even know if I'd call that the same thing even as what I'm referring to.

I have a cousin who jumps around from one restaurant hostess job to the next, and a brother who jumps around from one retail job from the rest. I'm not even close to considering them as the pinnacles of success, nor do I consider what they do to be the same thing that I do or others do in order to get ahead.
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