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these days companies are competing against each other to give good beefits to attract or retain talent. 20+ days (combined pool of vaca, sick,personal) seem to be common starting number of days even for non managerial positions
Last edited by DonaldJTrump; 02-27-2018 at 04:45 PM..
Yes, I have successfully negotiated additional vacation as a senior professional. I was offered a position with 2 weeks of vacation, and I countered with 4. My counter was accepted.
It's nice to negotiate extra vacation days.
Do you get to use them?
Very perceptive of you.
For a couple of years I did, but my boss was grumpy about it and certainly did not try to facilitate my vacation. A year later HR tried to take the extra two weeks away, and I had to produce my offer letter to keep them.
I did not like that company for a number of reasons, this was the least. I left after the 4th year, and landed a job with 5 weeks of vacation, plus vacation, personal, and more holidays.
Early in my career, I always negotiated more vacation time than that. At least 3 weeks, and usually 4 weeks. By the time I was 5 years into my career, I was in a "you eat what you kill" type of position, where I could take up to 6 weeks/year, but it also decreased my earnings. I didn't care, I needed that time with my family.
If vacation time is important to you, and frankly, I think everyone needs a week of it every 3 months or so, then you can negotiate for that at hiring. I cannot imagine anyone coming into a large company at a high level, bringing many years of experience, being expected to accept only two weeks of vacation.
Definitely negotiate, in a respectful manner. Vacation days (offered, at least) cost the company absolutely nothing. If they see you're not working hard enough to deserve them then they fire you before you even use them!
Early in my career, I always negotiated more vacation time than that. At least 3 weeks, and usually 4 weeks. By the time I was 5 years into my career, I was in a "you eat what you kill" type of position, where I could take up to 6 weeks/year, but it also decreased my earnings. I didn't care, I needed that time with my family.
If vacation time is important to you, and frankly, I think everyone needs a week of it every 3 months or so, then you can negotiate for that at hiring. I cannot imagine anyone coming into a large company at a high level, bringing many years of experience, being expected to accept only two weeks of vacation.
Unfortunately, a lot of this depends on your local market and what the demand for "talent like you" is there.
Where I'm at, professional jobs of any sort of very hard to come by. It's take it or leave it. This is how my PTO shakes out. Sick, vacation, and holiday pay is all in one bucket. Another five days are given at five and fifteen years of service.
1) 21 days total accrued at 6.46 hrs/pp.
2) We have to "pay ourselves" for the six major holidays plus Black Friday out of that, unless we are on-call. If we do not have the PTO hours, we do not get paid. That brings us down to 14 total days. That's less than two weeks vacation/one week sick. Essentially all of your PTO from September - December goes to pay yourself at the holidays.
3) If another holiday falls on Tuesday or Thursday, we have to take the adjacent Friday or Monday off. This happened last year with July 4 being on Tuesday.
This shakes out to be between 12-14 days of PTO annually for most folks.
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