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Need some advise from the group regarding an internal candidate interview coming up in a couple weeks.
I have worked in the same position for several years. Lets call this job "Level 1".
I have done excellent at this job for 5 years, always get excellent annual appraisals, and have earned educational certifications related to the job.
A year ago, we hired on another person who is at the same level as me. This person is condescending, acts like he knows everything, and is known to be rude to clients. However he is good friends with my departmental director.
My main problem with this co-worker is that he does not do his "Level 1" job, he insists on doing the "Level 2" job. He has been talked to by his direct supervisor, and told that he needs to do his own job and not ones above him.
Meanwhile I am grinding it out, doing the work of two people at the "Level 1" job, while he messes around and thinks he is some super high end employee.
Anyways, a job posting came up for this "Level 2" job, and both of us have applied.
What are some good lines to use to express that I am a loyal employee, work within my scope of work, and am willing to learn, but also follows rules of the organization.
What are some good lines to use to express that I am a loyal employee, work within my scope of work, and am willing to learn, but also follows rules of the organization.
Stay with what you wrote, don't be saying "I stay within the lines, not like Mr. Snotty" do not speak of the other candidate. Tout your abilities only....
Stay with what you wrote, don't be saying "I stay within the lines, not like Mr. Snotty" do not speak of the other candidate. Tout your abilities only....
The hiring manager will end up hiring his/her nephew or friend doing “level 0” work from outside the company. Just watch
Reality is, no one cares about a hard working, dependable, loyal employee anymore. Those days are long gone
If it just between you two, you may get overlooked because you are just that (hardworking dependable, loyal). Those people are generally glossed over. The last good for nothing that’s in the bosses ear all day gets the nod. Connections trump performance every time. And most times laziness trumps hard work. Lazy people aren’t deemed a threat
I learned that lesson 2-3 years ago after quality Management was let go or forced into early retirement and replaced with crap for Management. So these screwed up, mismanaged places have basically turned me into a “clock puncher” because unless you get a quality manager(rare today) your value and hard work is just ignored anyways and taken for granted
Don't mean to bust your bubble here, but we're talking "Aggressive and ambitious personality which focuses on results" (them) versus "Passive and polite personality which focuses on taking orders" (you). This is an extremely competitive market. Want to take a guess on who's getting hired?
You may think that "grinding it out" is some kind of special achievement in work. Stop it! One of the most important skills for a senior position is the ability to delegate and assign responsibility. You might have the industry skill, but why are you taking on extra workloads when you shouldn't? That's not impressive - that proves you are just a pushover and unreliable with power.
I'm not trying to be harsh or nasty. If anything, I wish this advice had been given to me a long time ago. Companies like tough guys to generate confidence, establish identity, and employ initiatives to disillusioned staff. Basically people like strong leaders. They want people who aren't afraid to be rude or condescending. They don't want someone who takes on other peoples' workloads because they're too afraid to stand up for themselves - that's not manager material. If anything, that's someone destined to stay right at the bottom, for a long time.
Well look at how many people that attain the power positions in corporate America that are unreiiable with power themselves once they get that spot? Sure in the short term the "tough guy" routine may generate those short term results, but long term these bullies just run everyone off. You still have to have industry knowledge of what the hell is going on.
I don't care how much of an "aggressive' personality you are. If you don't know what the hell you're doing, you don't know what the hell you're doing. And if you have to many of these nuts running around, you can rest assured the future of your business will take a turn for the worst.
If the OP is a valuable piece of manpower force, if he doesn't get the job, I would see no reason why he should stay. You're value can be used somewhere else where someone will APPRECIATE IT for a change.
The "show ponies" are a dime a dozen. These people that "serve the 2nd course of the last supper" can't BS forever. They have to produce. And you're only as good as your team if you're a manager. What happens when your team leaves?
Need some advise from the group regarding an internal candidate interview coming up in a couple weeks.
I have worked in the same position for several years. Lets call this job "Level 1".
I have done excellent at this job for 5 years, always get excellent annual appraisals, and have earned educational certifications related to the job.
A year ago, we hired on another person who is at the same level as me. This person is condescending, acts like he knows everything, and is known to be rude to clients. However he is good friends with my departmental director.
My main problem with this co-worker is that he does not do his "Level 1" job, he insists on doing the "Level 2" job. He has been talked to by his direct supervisor, and told that he needs to do his own job and not ones above him.
Meanwhile I am grinding it out, doing the work of two people at the "Level 1" job, while he messes around and thinks he is some super high end employee.
Anyways, a job posting came up for this "Level 2" job, and both of us have applied.
What are some good lines to use to express that I am a loyal employee, work within my scope of work, and am willing to learn, but also follows rules of the organization.
OK, you've described the do-gooder and the evil twin. As we don't know how ethical or "fair" the interviewers will be, how much they value different skills or attitudes we can't really predict which way they might fall. My inclination would be to show them that even though you don't "mess around" with the Level 2 stuff like the evil twin you described does, you know what it takes to take on the level 2 job. Its one thing to remind them that you do YOUR work, do it well, know your place, but you also have to show them that you can transfer all your experience to the new level if given the chance. No childish spiteful pranks should be required. If the evil twin gets rewarded for their behavior, at least you know you didn't lower yourself in order impress people who value that sort of c*&%p. If you end up staying where you are at least you are employed. No one can take that away.
Last edited by Parnassia; 03-06-2018 at 02:50 PM..
Its about who you know. I would imagine he gets the job. Not because he is more competent, but because he is friends. So apply, focus on you and what you bring, and hope for the best. But if you don't get it...don't stress. If he cant handle the job at all eventually that will open up again.
Need some advise from the group regarding an internal candidate interview coming up in a couple weeks.
I have worked in the same position for several years. Lets call this job "Level 1".
I have done excellent at this job for 5 years, always get excellent annual appraisals, and have earned educational certifications related to the job.
A year ago, we hired on another person who is at the same level as me. This person is condescending, acts like he knows everything, and is known to be rude to clients. However he is good friends with my departmental director.
My main problem with this co-worker is that he does not do his "Level 1" job, he insists on doing the "Level 2" job. He has been talked to by his direct supervisor, and told that he needs to do his own job and not ones above him.
Meanwhile I am grinding it out, doing the work of two people at the "Level 1" job, while he messes around and thinks he is some super high end employee.
Anyways, a job posting came up for this "Level 2" job, and both of us have applied.
What are some good lines to use to express that I am a loyal employee, work within my scope of work, and am willing to learn, but also follows rules of the organization.
They either see your value, or they don't. If they don't, there's nothing you can do about it other than go somewhere where you will be recognized.
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