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Some companies, like Google, just require them of everyone now.
But, when I worked for a large, famous American beer maker back in the mid-90's, I was told by a manager who was visiting from the corporate office out-of-state, that the reason they required degrees, was because it was a legal way to discriminate against applicants of color, because so few back then had college degrees. I found that utterly appalling, but not completely surprising, because this company has been based in the deep south for many, many years.
So, there's that, too. It can be legal discrimination. Even if that includes discriminating against white uneducated people.
That's sad because some of the finest software developers, quality analysts, data analysts, and database administrators (not to mention network engineers) have been 100% self-taught high school graduates...some with some college hours, some without.
Requiring a bachelor's degree is stupid. I have one but it's not in a STEM discipline so I might as well not have one at all. I've worked in I.T. for 20 years, mainly as a developer.
That's sad because some of the finest software developers, quality analysts, data analysts, and database administrators (not to mention network engineers) have been 100% self-taught high school graduates...some with some college hours, some without.
Requiring a bachelor's degree is stupid. I have one but it's not in a STEM discipline so I might as well not have one at all. I've worked in I.T. for 20 years, mainly as a developer.
I agree. My daughter never finished college, but is a systems analyst for payroll software systems, and has helped implement new systems for huge corporations - but she can't get hired by Google because she doesn't have a degree.
I think these companies do realize they could miss out on some great talent, but they choose to lose the few, rather than chance getting what they have decided could be undesirables.
It's an unregulated means of discrimination right now.
That's sad because some of the finest software developers, quality analysts, data analysts, and database administrators (not to mention network engineers) have been 100% self-taught high school graduates...some with some college hours, some without.
Requiring a bachelor's degree is stupid. I have one but it's not in a STEM discipline so I might as well not have one at all. I've worked in I.T. for 20 years, mainly as a developer.
But if that is the company culture, what's wrong with not being a fit? We often hear on this very forum that the companies look for fits, more so than skill. Company fit is important because you can't have a clash of personalities. Look at Google with the "whistle blowing" by white conservative males complaining about women in IT, then *****ing about being fired...
And I'm not even talking "drinking buddies." Let me tell you, I'm personable but I'm not a drinks after work person. I have hung out with a few co-workers after work, but mostly when I'm off the clock, I don't see them until I'm on the clock again. Guess what, still got some jobbs though maybe not the best jobs for my skill-set.
Cheap scummy, exploitive, spoiled/out of touch/no common sense employers looking for purple squirrels for the lowest money possible. No decent/rational human beings post a job for “data entry” that requires a bachelors degree. You know what you’re gonna in return for that kind of wage? Bottom of the barrel applicants and chances are no 4 year graduates except horrible or desperate ones and all you will have is revolving door of employees and chances are your company goes down to the tubes due to “corporate brain drain” because of astronomical turnover rates
It’s quite simple really. “Play it cheap get horrible quality or no one at all”
The college graduate chances are isn’t gonna put much effort into that job after a few months as well and pretty much zone out and bounce quickly
The only time you MAY get a college graduate of quality for that type of position is if a hardcore recession is going on. They still won’t stay there long however
There is a large sheriff's dept. in my part of the country, that some years ago, decided to upgrade the quality of their patrol officers, so they started requiring a bachelor's degree of new applicants. Eventually, they abandoned this policy, because they had been getting the low-end segment of college graduates. Those who would have made better patrol officers, were by-passed, because not many had degrees. They went back to the old policy of selecting those who showed the best aptitude for the job, with or without a full college background.
There is a large sheriff's dept. in my part of the country, that some years ago, decided to upgrade the quality of their patrol officers, so they started requiring a bachelor's degree of new applicants. Eventually, they abandoned this policy, because they had been getting the low-end segment of college graduates. Those who would have made better patrol officers, were by-passed, because not many had degrees. They went back to the old policy of selecting those who showed the best aptitude for the job, with or without a full college background.
It’s crazy they reposted the positions requiring a bachelors degree for that type of job. I see border patrol is now doing that . Most people go to college to become middle entry white collar employees and move up the white collar corporate ladder. They don’t “nor should they IMO” have to start at a high school graduate level data entry type position for menial money. Especially if they went to a high end university. That’s just the epitome of underemployment which is rampant these days of course.
Generally if college graduates go into the law enforcement field, they will become probation, parole officers or even fbi/cia. Not highway patrol or writing up parking tickets
I agree. My daughter never finished college, but is a systems analyst for payroll software systems, and has helped implement new systems for huge corporations - but she can't get hired by Google because she doesn't have a degree.
I think these companies do realize they could miss out on some great talent, but they choose to lose the few, rather than chance getting what they have decided could be undesirables.
It's an unregulated means of discrimination right now.
Requiring a certain level of education is NOT discrimination. Was it discrimination when jobs wanted a high school diploma?
Your daughter is free to get a degree. Based on what you listed, she probably would qualify for tuition reimbursement if her employer offers it. So, your daughter is possibly making personal choices that are impeding her future.
It’s crazy they reposted the positions requiring a bachelors degree for that type of job. I see border patrol is now doing that . Most people go to college to become middle entry white collar employees and move up the white collar corporate ladder. They don’t “nor should they IMO” have to start at a high school graduate level data entry type position for menial money. Especially if they went to a high end university. That’s just the epitome of underemployment which is rampant these days of course.
Generally if college graduates go into the law enforcement field, they will become probation, parole officers or even fbi/cia. Not highway patrol or writing up parking tickets
It is a mix of perception of too many candidates so they must ask for that to self eliminate applicants and a HR department that hears it is a best practice and benchmarks just to benchmark rather than think if it works with their mission, vision and culture.
Well, the meme he posted always annoys me. Yeah the person who went to trade school now may make more, but the person who is doing an office job who takes a little while longer to get off the ground is not the one who is going to be out of work at 50 because they have joint and back problems. Trades sound all well and good, but many trades involve lots of lifting, stooping, bending, etc. that are really hard on the body over time. It’s very hard to continue those jobs into your 60s and 70s, but pretty easy to continue sitting at a desk.
Yet when was the last time you heard of 5000 Electricians, Millwrights and Plumbers being laid off en masse from a company? How many of those 60-70 year olds are low to middle management?
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Isn't Seattle's minimum wage is $15 an hour? How could they offer less than that? While I agree that employers want their candidates to possess wonderful credentials but are not willing to pay for it, the fact of the matter is that it's an employer's market and they can demand as much or as little from their candidates. However, that pendulum is SLOWLY shifting to the other side.
If over 500 employees it's now $15. For fewer than 500, it's only $14, and only $11.50 if they pay at least $2.50 in medical or the employee earns at least $2.50/hour in tips.
Our Accounting department is now requiring CPA for even the "entry level" Accountant 1 positions. As long as they still get applicants, they will continue to do so.
The duties seem to me to be commensurate with someone who has the intelligence and stick-to-it-ness of someone who has a BA:
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If you consider yourself an overachiever or the most reliable person in a group project, you will fit right in.
About You:
You have passion for excellence in your work and are always striving to learn more and improve upon what you already know. You are capable of learning to deftly navigate a database and have a talent for remembering small details. You have a knack for customer support - especially over email or phone.
You are goal-oriented and always up for a challenge. You are happiest in a fast-paced environment with little red tape and the ability to make an immediate impact. Previous data entry experience is not necessary and training is provided.
Duties:
-Context switch between a high volume emails, calls, and data entry while maintaining a superior level of organization. Keeping track of details is key
-Help delegate emails to internal team members for sales opportunities
-Make outbound calls to new customer leads and educate them about our services
What we're looking for:
-Fast typing skills. Above average writing skills
-Excellent communication skills over email and phone
-Strong familiarity with Google interface, including Gmail and Google Drive
-Highly organized, detail-oriented, and self-motivated
-Hard working, smart, and eager to learn new things
-A self starter who can work efficiently with little direction
-Customer service experience
-One year of work experience or more
-Bachelor's degree required
They are at the same time looking for someone who is very junior - 1 year or so out of college.
If I'm doing my math right, that's about $31K/year. That seems low.
Not only that, but "startup" means the company might go out of business.
So if it were me, I'd say "I won't accept a contract position. Hire me on full-time. I want $45K/year, and I want equity."
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