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Old 06-09-2018, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Hotel cleaners will never be replaced by robots. Check in staff will not either as their customers will try for upgrades and the management will have to think on their feet to approve or deny. Cleaning casino works same thing. I'd boot a Roomba if it was wandering around the casino floor...Food service? Not a chance. I want my steak well done and ribbed with fat (Makes it tender) and only a human eye can decide that.
Except when those workers ask for minimal wage hikes and "living wages" so the Owners/CEO/Board of Directors/etc tells all those minions to take a hike.

Human labor is becoming more expendable.

An owner would lay off people and replace them by robots before sacrificing huge chunks of his income and profits for shareholders.
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Old 06-09-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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I'm not expecting change to be easy. I'm not expecting any kind of "card for life"

I'm expecting a way in.

Tell me, since you have life all together and have 100% pure wisdom and knowledge of the universe: How do you get around the catch-22?

Yeah, I thought so. You don't have a solution. If you had one, you would have posted it by now.

Easy to sit in judgment when you don't have to deal with the problem, and don't have to think of a solution.
You keep harping on experience paradox. This isn't new. People have had to deal with lack of experience for decades. Yet, people still have been able to build careers. Get over it and move forward. Someone will take a chance on a candidate with low experience.
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Old 06-09-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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You keep harping on experience paradox. This isn't new. People have had to deal with lack of experience for decades.
This was before entry level jobs disappeared that required no experience. Stop acting like we have the same job market for decades. We don't. This is not the 1980's or even the late 90's.

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Yet, people still have been able to build careers.
Build, yes. Start new ones without experience, no.

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Get over it and move forward. Someone will take a chance on a candidate with low experience.
So where do you find such employers, since you believe this is not an issue. Enlighten us with your wisdom on how to get around the catch-22. You clearly have the answer, so show us.

Otherwise, your comment is arrogant and out of touch.
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Old 06-09-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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I don't feel for these people. I mean, when tech gets old, jobs get outdated too. That's why no matter how old I get, I always stay up the trends and learn new skills and techniques, learn how to work with the newest software, stay up the trends.
Good, you'll be glad to tell the career changers how to get jobs in new fields without experience. Post that information, please.

Clearly you think it is easy to find new jobs, just by going back to school and acting as if the catch-22 doesn't exist.
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Old 06-09-2018, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I went once to Vegas where there was a sole person craps table with automation. It was a faster game, with a lot of opportunity to take down bets without requiring attention. Loved it, and it loved me. Won $1K off the table on multiple nights on not much. Next trip in I noticed it was gone. When everyone is going around the table and hitting 50 rolls before crapping out, I have to imagine I'd gotten some help from another participant.

But hey...the casino did save money on the others at the table.
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Except when those workers ask for minimal wage hikes and "living wages" so the Owners/CEO/Board of Directors/etc tells all those minions to take a hike.

Human labor is becoming more expendable.

An owner would lay off people and replace them by robots before sacrificing huge chunks of his income and profits for shareholders.
Um, why should they not?

We're all driven by self-interest. We all want to make money and do better. Sure, some, maybe even a lot, of people find other, more noble motivations, and work for less than they have to. But why is it great to suggest that a business owner, or people who have a fiduciary duty to the owners of a business, are terrible for doing this; while proclaiming that the employees are great and noble for doing the exact same thing???

I keep saying this... if your labor can be replaced by a robot or an illiterate Third World peasant, your problem is not the robot or the peasant. You need to learn to do something more valuable.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Um, why should they not?

We're all driven by self-interest. We all want to make money and do better. Sure, some, maybe even a lot, of people find other, more noble motivations, and work for less than they have to. But why is it great to suggest that a business owner, or people who have a fiduciary duty to the owners of a business, are terrible for doing this; while proclaiming that the employees are great and noble for doing the exact same thing???

I keep saying this... if your labor can be replaced by a robot or an illiterate Third World peasant, your problem is not the robot or the peasant. You need to learn to do something more valuable.
I would point out that the culinary can in fact shut down the strip. And the strip casinos would not survive such a confrontation. So what will happen is a deal similar to the major railroads. The culinary workers will be reasonably well paid and guaranteed employment. Automation will be negotiated in the contracts.

Called enlightened self interest. Works every time.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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I keep saying this... if your labor can be replaced by a robot or an illiterate Third World peasant, your problem is not the robot or the peasant. You need to learn to do something more valuable.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Um, why should they not?

We're all driven by self-interest. We all want to make money and do better. Sure, some, maybe even a lot, of people find other, more noble motivations, and work for less than they have to. But why is it great to suggest that a business owner, or people who have a fiduciary duty to the owners of a business, are terrible for doing this; while proclaiming that the employees are great and noble for doing the exact same thing???

I keep saying this... if your labor can be replaced by a robot or an illiterate Third World peasant, your problem is not the robot or the peasant. You need to learn to do something more valuable.
You misread my post. I'm an advocate of supply and demand in our capitalistic economy and was pointing out that no job is irreplaceable. A poster said hotel staff, check in staff, food service and casino cleaners will never be replaced which as we all know is false. First, as you pointed out, someone from a foreign country would gladly do their job for a fraction of the salary. And 2nd, no one is safe from technology.


The owner of a casino or hotel or restaurant has every right to replace who they want to with robots or technology in order to keep up profits as their competitors adapt and do the same thing. Blockbuster refused to go digital and now they're long gone.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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I keep saying this... if your labor can be replaced by a robot or an illiterate Third World peasant, your problem is not the robot or the peasant. You need to learn to do something more valuable.

Easy to say. Challenging to do, but doable. But once one learns to do something more valuable, will they get a job in that new valuable field?

The catch-22 prevents that. Employers don't count experience in the old field and treat career changers as if they were newbies fresh out of college with no experience.

It takes far more than just "learn to do something more valuable" to make this happen. And few people who recommend this actually go beyond education shilling in their recommendations.
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