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Old 06-12-2018, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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Is it discrimination? Probably. Does that violate federal age discrimination laws? No, for better or worse.
Yes, it actually is discrimination under the ADEA (Age Discrimination in Employment Act) which is enforced by the EEOC.

Age discrimination can refer to adverse action to individuals over the age of 40 in hiring, transfer, promotion, or firing.

I personally found the ad amusing because they just came outright and said "young".

I have no interest in the position myself.

Usually they hide behind euphemisms such as "fresh college graduates".

If someone older applies for it and doesn't get the job they could push the issue based on the wording of the ad.
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:46 PM
 
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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are old, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of hiring old people but the end result would be exactly the same: no old people will be hired?
Wait until you are "old"... it's not fun and games finding a job.
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are old, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of hiring old people but the end result would be exactly the same: no old people will be hired?
The issue is that discriminatory hiring practices are wrong, no matter what group is adversely impacted.

Would the ad still be okay if it said " We're looking for a couple of elite white energetic customer service geniuses" or if it said "We're looking for a couple of elite male energetic customer service geniuses" ?

The "old" people who are covered under anti-discrimination laws are those 40+. In some fields, 35+ is considered "old".

40 isn't old considering that retirement age is up around 70 now but there are some ignorant employers. This is why we can't have nice things and why we need agencies like the EEOC.
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:57 PM
 
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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are old, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of not hiring old people but the end result would be exactly the same: no old people will be hired?
Seems like you're not getting the point. Now let's reword this.

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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are black, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of not hiring black people but the end result would be exactly the same: no black people will be hired?
Does this sound good to you?

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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are Hispanic, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of not hiring Hispanic people but the end result would be exactly the same: no Hispanic people will be hired?
Again, does this sound good to you?

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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are LGBT, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of not hiring LGBT people but the end result would be exactly the same: no LGBT people will be hired?
Again, does this sound good to you?

Probably not.

Double standard = corruption.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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On the job hunt today for HR or operations management jobs around Erie and this was posted on Monster:



Almost felt like emailing them and asking if 48 was 'young' since I still felt young

I'm guessing that this company does not have a legal department or has an HR department that was sleeping when they placed this ad...
Make a copy of the ad apply and get declined. Get a lawyer and sue. It’s the American way
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Make a copy of the ad apply and get declined. Get a lawyer and sue. It’s the American way
Get some of your older friends to join you and make it a class action lawsuit. THAT is the American way
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:35 PM
 
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Seems like you're not getting the point. Now let's reword this.



Does this sound good to you?



Again, does this sound good to you?



Again, does this sound good to you?

Probably not.

Double standard = corruption.
I appreciate the effort, but nah not the same thing. I am referring to the ad, not my post. Your response to my post is adequate, however, your rewording is not what the spirit of the ad is.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:58 PM
 
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Yes, it actually is discrimination under the ADEA (Age Discrimination in Employment Act) which is enforced by the EEOC.

Age discrimination can refer to adverse action to individuals over the age of 40 in hiring, transfer, promotion, or firing.

I personally found the ad amusing because they just came outright and said "young".

I have no interest in the position myself.

Usually they hide behind euphemisms such as "fresh college graduates".

If someone older applies for it and doesn't get the job they could push the issue based on the wording of the ad.
This only says 'young'. That is subjective. It would be very difficult to prove they meant '40 years old or younger' in this ad.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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I don't know what the big deal is. If you are old, then you know right upfront they don't want you. So you don't waste your time with them. Would the complainers feel better if that company had used a more vague ad to hide their true intention of not hiring old people but the end result would be exactly the same: no old people will be hired?

So, if it is okay to discriminate based on age, what about race, ethnicity, religion, and gender? Would "No blacks, Irish, Asians, Italians, Jews, Catholics, or women need apply" be okay?
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Outside US
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Wow, good catch there Marie. Reminds me of this thread I made last year (When a Hiring Manager says, "I'm looking for someone young" )
I just browsed some posts in the thread you linked.

IMO, it's worth a bump, if someone wants to get back to that discussion.

Why do I say this?

Because I'm 48.

I look younger but I'm 48 and will switch industries in less than 2 years.
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